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    Extermely high metbolism

    Iím a pretty thin guy and have had trouble keep weight on my entire life. I currently ride 20-30 fast miles almost every day. Hereís the problem:

    Even if I eat a decent meal before hand, I get weak and feel almost starved after the rides. Light headed and a little dizzy as well.

    Should I take something with me to eat during the ride? itís not a very long distance, but Iím really pushing myself the entire way. I never feel like eating or drinking during the ride. any tips on what I should eat before, during (if necessary), and after to feel better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    Iím a pretty thin guy and have had trouble keep weight on my entire life. I currently ride 20-30 fast miles almost every day. Hereís the problem:

    Even if I eat a decent meal before hand, I get weak and feel almost starved after the rides. Light headed and a little dizzy as well.

    Should I take something with me to eat during the ride? itís not a very long distance, but Iím really pushing myself the entire way. I never feel like eating or drinking during the ride. any tips on what I should eat before, during (if necessary), and after to feel better?
    I have a similar problem. If I sit around and don't get much exercise, such as during the winter months, I can really pile on the weight. I usually exit the winters somewhere around 160lbs. But once I start riding more regularly, I'm usually down around 140lbs to 145lbs by the middle of summer. I dip below 140lbs by end of summer. I find that stopping regularly to eat something helps to keep me from getting light headed and dizzy especially if the ride is 50 miles or more. While you may not feel like eating during the ride and for those distances I usually don't eat either, I would recommend drinking regularly. Although I don't go for energy drinks unless I'm pushing 50 miles or more (just water on shorter rides), it sounds like maybe some diluted gatorade or your favourite substitute might help you out during the ride. I generally drink just water and have something light before my rides and if I eat anything during the ride, it will be an energy bar or fruit on supported rides... preferably watermelon. After a long ride, I'm ready to devour a steak dinner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    Iím a pretty thin guy and have had trouble keep weight on my entire life. I currently ride 20-30 fast miles almost every day. Hereís the problem:

    Even if I eat a decent meal before hand, I get weak and feel almost starved after the rides. Light headed and a little dizzy as well.

    Should I take something with me to eat during the ride? itís not a very long distance, but Iím really pushing myself the entire way. I never feel like eating or drinking during the ride. any tips on what I should eat before, during (if necessary), and after to feel better?
    I somewhat have the same problem... you probably have very low blood pressure, and are relatively tall I am guessing, especially in proportion to your body weight. I used to have it where I would stand up and black out for a second at times if I hadn't eaten recently or stood up too fast. Anyways some things I did that helped on rides were to run a 50/50 water/gatorade/cytomax mix to replenish some carbs and calories. Also I carry some bananas, Clif Bars, granola bars, etc. I used to eat extremely healthy too, and found out I was actually eating too healthy most likely so now I try to eat more saturated fat (since i was eating virtually none) and I managed to gain about 10lbs (6'1 155lbs now) which has helped some. I can't remember all my dr. recommended but if I think of anything else I will post back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seely
    I somewhat have the same problem... you probably have very low blood pressure, and are relatively tall I am guessing, especially in proportion to your body weight. I used to have it where I would stand up and black out for a second at times if I hadn't eaten recently or stood up too fast. Anyways some things I did that helped on rides were to run a 50/50 water/gatorade/cytomax mix to replenish some carbs and calories. Also I carry some bananas, Clif Bars, granola bars, etc. I used to eat extremely healthy too, and found out I was actually eating too healthy most likely so now I try to eat more saturated fat (since i was eating virtually none) and I managed to gain about 10lbs (6'1 155lbs now) which has helped some. I can't remember all my dr. recommended but if I think of anything else I will post back.
    yep - you got it. i'm 5'11 and about 140. not too sure on the blood pressure, but i know my father has low blood pressure and he is built about the same as i am. so, it wouldn't surprise me if i had low pressure as well.

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    Do you eat something right AFTER your rides? According to the late Ed Burke, it's important to get both carbs and proteins on board shortly after any hard training. The carbs help restore your glyocogen reserves, and the protein helps with muscle recovery/rebuilding.

    Some folks use Endurox R4 after rides, but I think it tastes awful (and, it's bloody expensive), so I usually mix up some vanilla-flavored protein powder with 12 oz of orange juice instead.
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    As far as recovery after exercise, this is what I've been told by one of the instructors at my gym:

    The ideal ratio of carbs to protein to consume immediately post workout is 1.5g carbs to 1g protein. Whatever you take should be as low in fat as possible, to allow it to digest quickly. In about 45 min you can have a "real" meal.

    What I find works best is skim milk. It has that magic ratio, and has almost no fat! Tastes like crap though.. but I'm willing to sacrifice that if it helps my body recover better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMulyava
    What I find works best is skim milk. It has that magic ratio, and has almost no fat! Tastes like crap though.. but I'm willing to sacrifice that if it helps my body recover better.
    Hmmm... I always drink skim milk. I find it also works best for frothing when making cappucinos. Would one of those work?
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    Not knowing what the age is here but metabolism will change with age. Trust me I was in the same boat 4 years ago. Now though at 37 that has all changed. I was 6'1" at 165 to 170ibs. Now I am 62 and 205 and it is not coming off. I am not fat by no means it is just a age thing it caught me.

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    Just read The Zone Diet by Dr. Barry Sears and you won't have to carry food with you when you ride. I am 46 and I can still eat all that I want thanks to The Zone Diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter
    Not knowing what the age is here but metabolism will change with age. Trust me I was in the same boat 4 years ago. Now though at 37 that has all changed. I was 6'1" at 165 to 170ibs. Now I am 62 and 205 and it is not coming off. I am not fat by no means it is just a age thing it caught me.
    Don't worry about age, Main problem is that as you get older, you get wiser, If it hurts you don't do it, if the hill is too steep, you slow down, But all this makes sense. A slower pace, but more milage will keep the weight off, but is not as enjoyable. Try going out with a bunch of 25 year olds to get the speed back up. Either that or change to longer distance rides where your change in metabolism, will show up the youngster that can't hack the distance. Going back to the original question, I carbo load daily, this does enable me to go for a 4 hour ride or 2 hours intensive gym, but there is always the problem. Is it going to be a Kebab or a curry to replace the carbs lost on the ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Hoch
    Just read The Zone Diet by Dr. Barry Sears and you won't have to carry food with you when you ride. I am 46 and I can still eat all that I want thanks to The Zone Diet.

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    He wants to put on weight by his original post he has none to diet off. The Zone diet is inadequate for weight gaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stapfam
    Don't worry about age, Main problem is that as you get older, you get wiser, If it hurts you don't do it, if the hill is too steep, you slow down, But all this makes sense. A slower pace, but more milage will keep the weight off, but is not as enjoyable. Try going out with a bunch of 25 year olds to get the speed back up. Either that or change to longer distance rides where your change in metabolism, will show up the youngster that can't hack the distance. Going back to the original question, I carbo load daily, this does enable me to go for a 4 hour ride or 2 hours intensive gym, but there is always the problem. Is it going to be a Kebab or a curry to replace the carbs lost on the ride?
    Age has everything to do with metabolism, this is a fact. As you age your metabolism slows as does alot of other bodily functons, this to is fact, it is called life. I too had the exact same thing happen to me as it is now to the thread starter. I rode 35 miles a day everyday sometimes more. For 2 years and who knows how many a week beforehand since a bike was my transportation. I could eat whatever I wanted in whatever quantity and never really gain weight that stayed for any length of time. That was in my 20's, this has changed now. I eat twice a day, snack in between, and that's it. I know what I eat, as I used to train as a bodybuilder/martial artist. Now however as stated age changed all of that.
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    According to the Harris-Benedict formula that estimates Basal Metabolic Rate, a 6' tall, 180 lb male who is "moderately active" would have a BMR of 3,043 calories at age 20, and a BMR of 2,726 calories at age 50. The difference is 317 calories per day. Or, to put it another way, the 50 year old's metabolic rate is 90% of the 20 year old's. While not insignificant, this is not the dramatic "decline in metabolic rate" that most people associate with aging.

    A lot of the so-called decline in metabolic rate (especially in the US), is because most older folks spend a lot more time sitting on their asses than when they were in their teens and 20's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP
    According to the Harris-Benedict formula that estimates Basal Metabolic Rate, a 6' tall, 180 lb male who is "moderately active" would have a BMR of 3,043 calories at age 20, and a BMR of 2,726 calories at age 50. The difference is 317 calories per day. Or, to put it another way, the 50 year old's metabolic rate is 90% of the 20 year old's. While not insignificant, this is not the dramatic "decline in metabolic rate" that most people associate with aging.

    A lot of the so-called decline in metabolic rate (especially in the US), is because most older folks spend a lot more time sitting on their asses than when they were in their teens and 20's.
    Key word here is estimate, this of course is not fact, therefore not credible as proof of anything. Wonder how much ass sitting time was spent onthat software development.

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    Well, the Harris-Benedict formula is considered one of the better predictors of basal metabolic rate. From what I've read, most of the decline in metabolic rate with age is explained by decreased muscle mass, and lessened activity levels.

    If you are aware of a formula, or a published aging study, that shows a substantially different result, I'd appreciate a link to it.

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    Was that meant as an insult? FWIW, good software takes a significant amount of ass sitting (well over 1,000 hours for CycliStats). Fortunately, I also spend a good amount of time sitting on my bike to balance it out. And, for the record, I'm 51 myself.
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    Forget that Zone Diet crap...if you ar eunder nourished its because you are not getting your DAILY intake. Eat frequently every 2.5 hours carb/protein. That will take car of your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter
    He wants to put on weight by his original post he has none to diet off. The Zone diet is inadequate for weight gaining.
    Not true, it is more than adequate and it can be used for gaining weight or losing it. You just add or subtract carb blocks. But for those of you that really care, it is really about healthy eating.
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    well, i took some of the advice and here's what i did:

    prepared pasta and chicken BEFORE the ride, that way i could just reheat it after i got back (part of the original problem is i have to bike late at night because of my schedule, so i often don't feel like cooking when i get back at 10pm).

    Before i took off, i had a bananna, gronola bar, and a 50% gataorate 50% water mix. i brought a gronola bar with me and ate that after about 20 miles with the gataorate mixture. i felt much better after i got home, and didn't feel light headed at all. had another bananna while i was reheating the pasta then ate that.

    seems pretty easy, so i'll keep this up for a while and see how it works long term. oh, by the way the question came up a few times: i'm a 26 yr. old male. thanks for all the input.

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    Have you had your thyroid checked recently? You could have an over-active thyroid.

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