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    I can barely hear out of my left ear

    There is some major wax buildup, and I think I can feel it stuck to my eardrum. I've bought a syringe to shoot water in (made for it) and thast didn't work after 20 irrigation attempts. I let a bit of H202 sit in my ear canal for 15 minutes and attempted the irrigation again, didn't work. What am I doing wrong!? Do I need to let the H202 sit longer? Don't say go to the doctor either. Have any of yall done something at home to solve this problem? No, the eardrum is not ruptured either. I'd say hearing has been reduced by 25%. And that's a big difference.

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    Try hotter water.

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    For the last 25 years I have gone to a doctors surgery at least once a year to have the earwax syringed out. Interesting thing I read recently is that earwax build up could be a symptom of omega 3 deficiency.

    Anyway it CAN be very hard and require quite a bit of work to get out. I've had nurses try more than 20 times to get it all out. Recently I've started doing it myself and its not that hard. Sitting in a bathtub of course. What you are missing is putting some oil in your ear for a while to soften it. You can try proprietary products such as Wasxol or just use a high quality vegetable oil like Extra Virgin Olive Oil if you have that. You will need to leave the oil in for a little while (well what doesn't run out anyway) and you will be totally deaf in that ear while its happening so only do one ear at a time. After you have left the oil in for a while it will be MUCH easier to remove the wax. Something I have learned is that you don't need to squirt the water into your ear as fast as possible. Often it works best to squirt at a moderate rate.

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    This works well:

    http://www.debrox.com/

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    Why not say go to the doctor? You're having a medical issue, so why not have a trained professional assess the problem? Do you think you'll get a better answer by posting here in BF??

    FWIW, it might not be ear wax...especially if you're experiencing any ringing (tinitis), or dizzyness. In that case, it might indicate Meniere's Disease.

    Regardless, you need to see a doctor.
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    I had a similar problem 2 months ago. Doctor could not get it out. I used drops to soften it and you are supposed to wait 5 days for the softening agent to work. Then try again. After two days of drops, and about 5 attempts at 10 blasts per attempt, it all came out. You got to keep trying until it finally breaks free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freedomguy22 View Post
    I had a similar problem 2 months ago. Doctor could not get it out. I used drops to soften it and you are supposed to wait 5 days for the softening agent to work. Then try again. After two days of drops, and about 5 attempts at 10 blasts per attempt, it all came out. You got to keep trying until it finally breaks free.
    Alright, thanks for the positive story, hah. I bought debrox, and have been using it, so we'll see. By the way, was your blaster a bulb, syringe, or a tri-shooter syringe?

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    You can use a couple drops of Mineral Oil (available at any drugstore) to soften the ear wax for a couple days if necessary, making the wax more easily removed
    I have a problem every summer with ear wax being compacted in the one ear I wear an ear plug in while riding my motorcycle. (I'm already deaf in the other) After having it removed once by a doctor, she recommended the mineral oil.

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    Just a thought. I do not have your issue so I am just talking from my own experience.

    According to Ayurveda an old holistic medical system from India, it is a good idea to massage your body (including coating your baby finger and putting it in each ear) in the morning with some kind of light edible oil such as olive or sesame or coconut.

    I suspect that if you have hardened wax in your ear that sesame oil would be the best as it has a slight heating effect. This will tend to keep the wax from building up and hardening.

    There may be other Ayurvedic suggestions beyond my knowledge and if you have accesss to a Vaidya or Ayurvedic doctor I suggest going that route.

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    My experience with Allopathic (regular north American MDs) is that they either give you pills or want to do surgery or they tell you nothing is wrong with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanf View Post
    Just a thought. I do not have your issue so I am just talking from my own experience.

    According to Ayurveda an old holistic medical system from India, it is a good idea to massage your body (including coating your baby finger and putting it in each ear) in the morning with some kind of light edible oil such as olive or sesame or coconut.
    What a hoot....sticking oil-coated fingers in your ear, in accordance with ancient superstitions that believe most illness is caused by demons and imbalances in your bile and phlegm.
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    I had a similar problem, so this is what worked for me: I used earwax softener drops, let them sit in my ear for about 4 minutes with my head tilted sideways (so the juice didn't run out). I did this right before my shower, and while rinsing my ear out in the shower I let the nozzle blast in it pretty good.

    This took several days. I used the Mirune liquid, I think it's basically just hydrogen peroxide and glycerin. I never used the syringe on my ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP View Post
    What a hoot....sticking oil-coated fingers in your ear, in accordance with ancient superstitions that believe most illness is caused by demons and imbalances in your bile and phlegm.
    Who writes your stuff for you... wackipedia ?

    Interestingly the very early translations (into German and English) of the Ayurveda texts were written in the pre- Louis Pasteur mindset when the Allopathic (regular doctors called MDs nowadays) had no idea about bacteria, fungi and viruses, so in their ignorance they called them demons. Allopaths believed in a theory called "Spontaneous Generation".

    http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/A...Generation.php

    These same Allopathic doctors had an incredibly pathetic success rate. Having a baby was a 50/50 deal, 50% or higher mortality rate and same with any types of surgical operations. Wars at the time were lost to diseases and festering wounds.

    Actually Ayurveda was conversant in bacteria going back to prehistoric times and their dietary and medical recommendations reflect this. They were doing cataract surgery 2000 years ago. Sushruta Samhita describes the instruments and procedures.

    Imbalances in the bile and phlegm? Where did you get this ?
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    alanf, are you really contending that a North American doctor is incapable of treating an accumulation of earwax without resorting to pills or surgery? Because unless you are making that contention, everything else you are arguing is a red herring that doesn't seem to have any place in this thread.

    Having been treated on several occasions by North American doctors for an accumulation of earwax, I can assure you that they offered options short of surgery, and managed to treat the issue effectively without it resulting in any disease or festering wounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanf View Post
    Who writes your stuff for you... wackipedia ?

    Interestingly the very early translations (into German and English) of the Ayurveda texts were written in the pre- Louis Pasteur mindset when the Allopathic (regular doctors called MDs nowadays) had no idea about bacteria, fungi and viruses, so in their ignorance they called them demons. Allopaths believed in a theory called "Spontaneous Generation".

    http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/A...Generation.php

    These same Allopathic doctors had an incredibly pathetic success rate. Having a baby was a 50/50 deal, 50% or higher mortality rate and same with any types of surgical operations. Wars at the time were lost to diseases and festering wounds.

    Actually Ayurveda was conversant in bacteria going back to prehistoric times and their dietary and medical recommendations reflect this. They were doing cataract surgery 2000 years ago. Sushruta Samhita describes the instruments and procedures.

    Imbalances in the bile and phlegm? Where did you get this ?
    "Ayurveda stresses a balance of three substances: wind/spirit/air, phlegm, and bile, each representing divine forces." - per Wikipedia.

    And the idea that Ayurveda was conversant in the nature of bacterial infection is lunacy. They didn't even have microscopes, much less any scientific understanding of bacterial disease!! Sheesh...


    For hundreds of years, hundreds of millions died in India due to simple infections. It was only with the introduction of modern (i.e., Western) public health and medicine that the death rates have come down, and their lifespans have gone up.


    Note: this is not to say that we can't learn valuable lessons from ancient practices (e.g., the spice turmeric is being studied for it's anti-inflammatory properties). But many of those ancient superstitions are just plain ignorant, and some are dangerous (e.g., the use of heavy metals in some Ayurvedic potions).

    Thankfully, real science involves repeated testing of hypothesis and refinement of our understanding. That's one reason why real scientists no longer subscribe to "Spontaneous Generation" theories, while Ayurvedic practitioners still worry about phlegm and bile.
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    “alanf, are you really contending that a North American doctor is incapable of treating an accumulation of earwax without resorting to pills or surgery?”

    I wasn't implying that at all.
    I was suggesting something that had potential for eliminating a trip to any doctor. Or maybe for the 46 Million Americans who can’t afford to.

    Actually my ex had this issue and she simply used to put a hot water bottle on the bed, lay a few layers of damp cloth on it and just lay the affected ear on it and have a snooze. The wax would melt and run out.

    My post was simply an extension of what AnthonyG said, sort of a "pre-emptive strike". Some call it preventative medicine.

    SSP suggested going to a doctor after the original poster EJ123 stated;
    "Don't say go to the doctor either."

    I was just 'splainin how I feel the same, due to past time and money wasted doing so (going to an Allo. doctor), then SSP started quoting an incredibly bad explanation of Ayurveda which is unfortunately in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is useful and I frequently use it for "first blush" info, but it is notorious, because anyone can write whatever they please in it. Here is a section taken from Wikipedia's opening page;

    "Visitors (to Wikipedia) do not need specialized qualifications to contribute, since their primary role is to write articles that cover existing knowledge. This means that people of all ages and cultural and social backgrounds can write Wikipedia articles. Most of the articles can be edited by anyone with access to the Internet, simply by clicking the edit this page link. Anyone is welcome to add information, cross-references, or citations, as long as they do so within Wikipedia's editing policies and to an appropriate standard."

    It goes on but you get the drift.

    You mentioned three substances then wrote out 5. This is typical from Wikipedia. It isn’t even close enough to bother explaining.

    Go get a book from Vasant Lad if you are really interested.

    You may be interested in finding out that a growing # of Allopathic pros have studied Ayurved and incorporate it in their regular practice, as it’s diagnostic tools are awesome and very unobtrusive and accurate and don’t involve expensive machinery with it’s attendant obsoleteness in a short # of years, danger and inaccuracies

    These pros do not suffer from Psychosclerosis or “stiffening of the mind”, “hardening of the attitudes” or Homeostatsis, “refusal to change”. (Brian Tracy quotes) Loius Pasteur possibly one of the finest scientists wasn’t even a doctor but he ran into the same brick walls with the docs back then trying to convince them that bacteria existed.

    SSP said:

    "For hundreds of years, hundreds of millions died in India due to simple infections. It was only with the introduction of modern (i.e., Western) public health and medicine that the death rates have come down, and their lifespans have gone up."

    Sorry to upset your applecart but zillions of people have died the world over and still do (and most likely will continue to) from simple infections in developed and undeveloped countries. Some of the reasons are due to the ridiculous cost of Allopathic health care particularly in the US. (46 Million cannot afford it... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5477515.ece ), iatrogenic issues, poor diet causing immune dysfunction, and lack of knowledge, etc..

    I suspect that the Indian causes of death are more likely due to lack of food and proper hygiene. Just because India is the source of Ayurveda does not mean that everyone partakes of it, any more than lots of bikes are made in the US but not everyone drives one.

    In India the standard traditional food additives (spices and herbs) have some of the best natural sources of antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral properties available or known about. The list is long but some of the other spices from India are well known and “scientifically” shown to help in various issues, such as Cinnamon for sugar issues etc. And there are other herbs, spices and other natural medicinals native to the whole world waiting to be studied.

    Maybe you'd like to explain another Wikipedia explanation of the word: “iatrogenic” or as Webster says
    “induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures”

    This is the third leading cause of death in the USA according to a study in 1999 in US hospitals alone. Estimates that I have read state higher numbers as these are the ones only in hospitals and only the reported ones or ones which went to court presumably. I notice that the Wikipedia article on it has been substantially changed since I last looked at it, probably by the offenders, but it still states 225,000 deaths per year from the study. This doesn’t count the disabilities, people who just came close to dying, or who wasted their money going to a doc etc. If this was any other business there would be an uproar but doctors and their awesome financial clout have managed to keep this one quiet.

    SSP said
    But many of those ancient superstitions are just plain ignorant, and some are dangerous (e.g., the use of heavy metals in some Ayurvedic potions)

    Some Allopathic “scientists” went on the Web and ordered some stuff from various “sources” and variety stores and then did a study which was published in their Journal (J.A.M.A.).

    The US N.A.M.A. (National Ayurvedic Medical Association) responded with this;
    http://www.ayurveda-nama.org/NAMA%20...0-%20Final.pdf
    Essentially nothing was mentioned as to the efficacy of the supplements and it wasn’t mentioned that some of the “junk” they bought was from corner stores and the part of the heavy metals seemed to leave out quite a bit of proper info like f’ristance “In the US there is no current national law precisely regulating the amount of lead, mercury and arsenic in dietary supplements.” These elements are present in many of our everyday foods and herbal products because they are 1. naturally occurring in the soil, water and air and 2. from pollution as a result of human activity, where in both cases these elements are taken up by the plants etc. Normally available foods in supermarkets also have varying amounts of these heavy metals.

    Allopathy has had it’s share of flops, remember Thalidomide. The list goes on.

    No system is perfect, but to dismiss something cause you read it in Wikipedia is just a brick shy of a load.

    See the problem is that people in Europe and North America have grown weary of hearing Allopaths tell us how great their “potions” are (there’s gold in them thar pills) and have decided enmasse to seek out other medical systems. This is well known and since it represents a huge inroad to their most auspicious pocketbooks they naturally are afraid of losing it, so they have a good reason to look for chinks in every one else’s armour. This is good, because India is notorious for having less than excellent manufacturing processes. There are reputable firms and their products are top drawer, but there are also “junk dealers”.

    To my mind Ayurveda in it’s correctly practiced form represents the future, but I am prejudiced.
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    For many, many years, a simple cut finger or an infected tooth could be a death sentence. Many people died as a result of small injuries that we don't think much of nowadays (of course, most of them were "lower caste" people, so their lives didn't really matter much to the higher ups in Indian society).

    Ayurvedic "medicine" did not help Indians with life-threatening infections in any substantive way...they kept on dying in their thousands, until the arrival of Western antibiotics and standards of public health.

    It's hard to believe anyone would hold up the medical practices of a country like India with its many centuries of poverty, sky high mortality rates, and caste-driven cultural practices. But then, I'm prejudiced too.
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    I don't know how this turned into a western vs alternative medical debate. I'm not a fan of allopathic medicine but the only regular visit I made to a doctor was to have my ears syringed out. Nothing fancy about it. Its a simple, mechanical, flushing procedure.

    Now I should say that even though I was visiting a doctor for 25 years to have my ears syringed out NONE of those doctors ever cured me of this ailment. Recently I've read that ear wax is something that regularly comes out of your ears but the fact that its building up and blocking your ears is possibly a symptom of omega 3 fatty acid deficiency.

    Regarding saving millions of lives I put that down to mass hygiene practices (sewers) rather than antibiotics and sewers are more a feat of engineering and politics rather than allopathic medicine. The hygiene practices of the first allopathic practitioners was APPALLING so I'm not prepared to credit them with it. I think it was more of a case of a whistle blower finally holding sway.

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    The doctors use something similar to Debrox but it is more concentrated.

    It's very quick and such a relief when it's done. If you have stubborn wax, just schedule a quick office visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP View Post
    Many people died as a result of small injuries that we don't think much of nowadays (of course, most of them were "lower caste" people, so their lives didn't really matter much to the higher ups in Indian society).
    Well since you are into passing judgements, what about arguably the richest country on the planet with 46 million folks (20 percent) who can't afford and therefore have no decent medical care. A modern day glossed over "Caste system" maybe. 'Parently according to this article "the US ranks last among 19 industrialized nations in health care efficiency and quality. "
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5477515.ece

    After WWII England, France, New Zealand, Cuba, Canada and probably others, decided that if the government can afford guns and bombs to kill everybody else in the world, they can afford free health care for it's citizenry. 'parently the message ain't made it south of the 49th Parallel... yet.

    If you check the facts, the Indians consider Ayurveda to be a medicine of the poor and the common folk because people learn how to take care of themselves. A statement from the Ayurvedic texts says "Food is medicine and medicine is food". Sort of like the folks around here who ride bikes to keep fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanf View Post
    Well since you are into passing judgements, what about arguably the richest country on the planet with 46 million folks (20 percent) who can't afford and therefore have no decent medical care. A modern day glossed over "Caste system" maybe. 'Parently according to this article "the US ranks last among 19 industrialized nations in health care efficiency and quality. "
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5477515.ece

    After WWII England, France, New Zealand, Cuba, Canada and probably others, decided that if the government can afford guns and bombs to kill everybody else in the world, they can afford free health care for it's citizenry. 'parently the message ain't made it south of the 49th Parallel... yet.

    If you check the facts, the Indians consider Ayurveda to be a medicine of the poor and the common folk because people learn how to take care of themselves. A statement from the Ayurvedic texts says "Food is medicine and medicine is food". Sort of like the folks around here who ride bikes to keep fit.

    You'll get no arguments from me on this issue...the US healthcare system is both broken and immoral.

    I'm hopeful for changes in the Obama administration, but sad that single-payer is not being more seriously considered.
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    When I go for pilot training in Wichita, generally there are pilots from the health care, HMO corporations in class with us. Now that's spending health care dollars wisely. HMO administrators flying around in corp. jets. Making decisions no doubt to disallow claims.
    For all the faults and whinging about the medicare systems, (people love to whine) they are very efficient, cheap (free) (no corp jets for administrators) and universal.
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    Here's one of the best articles I've read recently on the US healthcare debates:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michel..._b_155695.html
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    I had an ear infection earlier this year when rain blew in my ear. It's not always, just wax.

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