base is done, now what?
02-27-09, 02:34 AM
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base is done, now what?
I'm done with my base period and ready to start a build phase. I want to have good form in mid April and then again in July. I'm looking for what things I should be throwing into my week, how should I intiate this next bit. I want to focus on my climbing primarily but also on my top end.
is it better to raise the intensity gradually from longer/less intense efforts towards shorter/higher intensity? or do you start doing brief high intensity work and gradually increase time?
Mostly I want a better overview of your typical cycle, is a general sense.
I've had the Friel book and read a lot, but there's so much out there now tht this time around I'm confused on how to proceed.
is it better to raise the intensity gradually from longer/less intense efforts towards shorter/higher intensity? or do you start doing brief high intensity work and gradually increase time?
Mostly I want a better overview of your typical cycle, is a general sense.
I've had the Friel book and read a lot, but there's so much out there now tht this time around I'm confused on how to proceed.
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What will help us help you is if you can explain 'good form' in mid-April and July. Do you have specific things for those two time frames that you want to complete?
I am struggling with quantifiable goals myself. So I understand how quantifying goals is tough. But doing so makes everything else easier.
I am struggling with quantifiable goals myself. So I understand how quantifying goals is tough. But doing so makes everything else easier.
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I'm done with my base period and ready to start a build phase.
I want to have good form in mid April and then again in July.
I'm looking for what things I should be throwing into my week, how should I intiate this next bit.
I want to focus on my climbing primarily but also on my top end.
Is it better to raise the intensity gradually from longer/less intense efforts towards shorter/higher intensity? or do you start doing brief high intensity work and gradually increase time?
Mostly I want a better overview of your typical cycle, is a general sense.
But that's OK, blind training effort can make up for a lack of technical understanding.
Although, its sound ridiculous, successful training is nothing more than measuring your cycling efforts, and religiously applying discipline, and deliberate control to each training session so as to build incremental increases in power, endurance and technique. No more, no less than that is needed for success.
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02-27-09, 01:16 PM
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Unless you are a professional on a grand tour, you are never done with your base period. All semantics aside, you continue "base work" throughout a season to support racing efforts.
makes sense.
I would suspect you want "good form all season, you want to "peak" occasionally for races.
yes, i want to peak during those periods, mostly in July. I'm lucky to be on sabbatical in France and have unlimited time to ride. I'll be following the Tour this year and want to be able to enjoy riding some big cols ( do more than just survive.) April I'll be in Belgium to take in some some of the classics, and I'll be with a group of friends who are monsters, so I want to come into a peak during this time too.
Nothing is "ever 'thrown" into a serious program. All additional effort are "measured" carefully and incrementally added to the existing base load. Recovery efforts are utilized after racing.
I meant carefully added if that helps.
These are essentially. the same goal. Their only difference lie in your position on the bike during maximum efforts.
makes sense.
In theory, you would want to do both. But how you incrementally approach additional loads has much to do with the nature of a specific goal, not physiology.
You are confused, and i doubt you know how to evaluate yourself. So while it is interesting that you can read, you do not demonstrate comprehension.
in this case I am indeed confused, hence my request for some ideas. I know my intial post was a bit vague and lame sounding, but thanks for confirming it.
But that's OK, blind training effort can make up for a lack of technical understanding.
Like I said, I'm lucky right now to be able to ride as much and as often as I like. I've been focusing mostly on volume since Oct., but the region I'm in is very hilly so often I have to seek out flat terrain for long endurance or recovery rides. The cool thing is just riding 3-5 hours a day usually 4-5 days a week has transformed my fitness and form.
Although, its sound ridiculous, successful training is nothing more than measuring your cycling efforts, and religiously applying discipline, and deliberate control to each training session so as to build incremental increases in power, endurance and technique. No more, no less than that is needed for success.Actually that helps, still I would like to hear how others structure their periodized cycles even if their goals are different
makes sense.
I would suspect you want "good form all season, you want to "peak" occasionally for races.
yes, i want to peak during those periods, mostly in July. I'm lucky to be on sabbatical in France and have unlimited time to ride. I'll be following the Tour this year and want to be able to enjoy riding some big cols ( do more than just survive.) April I'll be in Belgium to take in some some of the classics, and I'll be with a group of friends who are monsters, so I want to come into a peak during this time too.
Nothing is "ever 'thrown" into a serious program. All additional effort are "measured" carefully and incrementally added to the existing base load. Recovery efforts are utilized after racing.
I meant carefully added if that helps.
These are essentially. the same goal. Their only difference lie in your position on the bike during maximum efforts.
makes sense.
In theory, you would want to do both. But how you incrementally approach additional loads has much to do with the nature of a specific goal, not physiology.
You are confused, and i doubt you know how to evaluate yourself. So while it is interesting that you can read, you do not demonstrate comprehension.
in this case I am indeed confused, hence my request for some ideas. I know my intial post was a bit vague and lame sounding, but thanks for confirming it.
But that's OK, blind training effort can make up for a lack of technical understanding.
Like I said, I'm lucky right now to be able to ride as much and as often as I like. I've been focusing mostly on volume since Oct., but the region I'm in is very hilly so often I have to seek out flat terrain for long endurance or recovery rides. The cool thing is just riding 3-5 hours a day usually 4-5 days a week has transformed my fitness and form.
Although, its sound ridiculous, successful training is nothing more than measuring your cycling efforts, and religiously applying discipline, and deliberate control to each training session so as to build incremental increases in power, endurance and technique. No more, no less than that is needed for success.Actually that helps, still I would like to hear how others structure their periodized cycles even if their goals are different
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02-28-09, 08:20 AM
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There is a pop up off the website link in my signature will give you a free hill climbing training program.
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This might not really answer your question, but it sounds like you want to race and don't have a good idea about how to "get to the next level" in fitness and preparation. I'd say find a coach. If you don't know how to go about that, get involved in whatever cycling groups are in your area, go on group rides, talk to people, and track down a coach that way. If there aren't groups like that in your area but you want to race anyway, realistically you'll have to move or settle for diminished expectations.
This just my 2 cents, being an old roadie who raced back in the 80's.
This just my 2 cents, being an old roadie who raced back in the 80's.
