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Old 06-14-09, 12:16 AM   #1
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Have you ever doped?

Have any of you ever taken illegal performance enhancing drugs before? and if so, how much of a difference does it make in your cycling performance?

There are always scandals about athletes doping, but what exactly do cyclists dope on these days? Is it just anabolic steroids?

just curious that's all...
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Old 06-14-09, 08:12 AM   #2
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No I have not.

Unless one is an extremely high level racer, you are not going to make any money cycling.

Amateur cyclists, which is 99.999% of us, can achieve very impressive results with training and diet. Both of which are good for you.

Nearly all of the performance enhancing drugs have dangerous side effects. I suppose you have heard of the grotesque effects of steroids. Just look at Barry Bonds for heavens sake. Epogen which is used for increasing red blood cells can cause a fatal thickening of the blood. A european cycling team suffered a sizeable number of fatalities among its riders fooling around with this stuff. I guess they did not get the dosage right. If you are professionally changed in physiology, biochemistry and pharmacology, well you might be able to do it yourself. Even then, it is not good to self medicate. People are very good at deceiving themselves.

Now if I were a professional athelete making a bunch of money every year, it would be different. A small performance gain might be enough to push one from the also ran to the podium. Or if one was a top athelete, it could extend your career and paychecks for a few years. But for me that is just not the case.

You can get very good results by training and diet. You get marginal results with performance enhancing drugs. The marginal results can be meaningful in competition. But for me climbing the local big hill in 190 seconds vs 200 seconds just is not important. There is also a substantial risk at using these things. The risk is magnified by ignorence. I am trained in these areas and I would not think of doing it. The risk/reward ratio is all against it.

To sum up. You can get very impressive results just with intelligent training. Performance enhancing drugs may provide a very modest performance increase. But there is a high risk of serious consequences to your health using performance enhancing drugs. Using them just does not seem to make any sense.
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Old 06-14-09, 08:19 AM   #3
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I have taken illegal performance reducing drugs in college.
As for cycling, I do not race and there would be no point in trying to enhance my performance beyond what training can accomplish.
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Old 06-14-09, 04:36 PM   #4
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I think a more interesting question would be "Have you ever tried supplements that were bike specific?" For example, I once tried Optygen because it was gonna make me climb higher, faster, and further than ever before. All it did was make my wallet $40. lighter.

In all honesty, most recreational riders or amateur racers would take an over-the-counter supplement if we thought it would give us some advantage. I really most of us have at one time or another.

Be honest here..have you?
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Old 06-14-09, 04:45 PM   #5
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I want to see a "How to ride your bike on Salvia" vid.
Other than that the only performance enhancing drug I've used (and continue to use) is typical pre-ride coffee.
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Have any of you ever taken illegal performance enhancing drugs before? and if so, how much of a difference does it make in your cycling performance?
Given the prevalence of prohibited substances in supplements and over the counter medications, it's likely that anyone who hasn't been meticulous in tracking what's on the prohibited list and comparing that to the ingredients in what they ingest has taken banned substances.
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This is a link to a quite interesting article in Outside Magazine written by an amateur who tried doping.
http://outside.away.com/outside/body...ug_test_1.html
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Old 06-14-09, 07:35 PM   #8
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+1 for performance reducing drugs. Oh wait does slimfast count?
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I don't race, and I've taken T.
Of course it was prescribed by an MD.
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Given the prevalence of prohibited substances in supplements and over the counter medications, it's likely that anyone who hasn't been meticulous in tracking what's on the prohibited list and comparing that to the ingredients in what they ingest has taken banned substances.
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Old 06-15-09, 12:49 AM   #11
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This is a link to a quite interesting article in Outside Magazine written by an amateur who tried doping.
http://outside.away.com/outside/body...ug_test_1.html
That was a good read, pretty much everything I was looking for. I forgot about how expensive those drugs are.
The reason I started this thread was because I sorta figured if an amateur cyclist would spend $1000 on a new wheelset, why not spend $1000 on some drugs, probably a better bang for buck. But after reading that article, I don't think anyone in their right mind would take performance enhancing drugs if they aren't top level competitors, its too expensive! jk. I didn't know steroids were THAT bad for you....that's some scary stuff.
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sudafed during allergy season.
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whenever I hear doping, I think of blood doping.

is that still used and/or illegal? Haven't heard of it in the news for a little while, but perhaps I just haven't paid close attention.
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