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Old 08-16-09, 06:54 PM   #1
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Perpetuem - Does anyone get nauseous from it? (even when used "properly"?)

Maybe a weird question...

I've liked Perpetuem for a while. I found it gives me good energy for the various 40-60 mile rides I've been doing. Like most people, I find it gets funky when warm or after mixed for more than a few hours. For 60 miles it usually doesn't get too bad.

Today I did a 90-mile race (first race). So, I mixed a bottle for the first 45-miles, then at the half-way rest area I put in some fresh powder and water.

Around miles 65-70 I got a little nauseous... No vomiting but I felt like if I wasn't careful I would. I'm not exactly sure what the cause was, but all I know is it got harder and harder to drink the Perpetuem (which was still pretty fresh since the 45-mile station). The nausea could have been completely unrelated from the Perpetuem... either way, I didn't want any more. Luckily I had a few gels, so I decided to stop the Perpetuem and I took a gel for the last 15 miles.

So bottom line...does anyone else get sick of it after a few hours? Or better yet, have you found something you like better? I'm thinking of quitting cold turkey and switching to something like Hammergels plus food (I love Odwalla bars).

Also, for the record, I *think* I was fine on electrolytes. I think I had had about five Endurolytes by the time my stomach got funny. It wasn't too warm or sunny so I wasn't sweating as much as I normally do.

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Old 08-16-09, 07:24 PM   #2
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nope. works great for me.
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Probably just drank too much of it. Most likely would have felt better if you'd switched to plain water when your stomach first started feeling funny. Going hard always messes with my digestion. Hard to always manage that 250 cal/hr. thing. Never force it, once that starts. Plain water for a while. I always have one bottle food, one plain water.
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I had the same problem with Perpetuem. It worked, but after a couple hours I couldn't stand the thought of drinking any more of it. Now I drink Heed and down a gel every 30-40 minutes. I feel like it gives me the same energy that the Perpetuem did, but I can stomach it better.

I've heard a lot of people swear by Perpetuem, so I'm planning to try it again on shorter rides to see if I can develop a taste for it...
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I get nauseous when I am low on electrolytes (which really means salt, the others are trace elements). Endurolytes don't actually contain much salt... if it's hot, I need more, so I also have salt tablets. Hammer tells you that salt tablets are wrong and evil but they would rather have you taking fistfulls of their Endurolytes. Don't get me wrong, I like Hammer's stuff, but you have to be careful to seperate out the sales pitch from the nutritional information.

For me one of the first signs of being low on electrolytes is that my sports drink suddenly tastes really bad. Even if I liked it before, I now hate it and want to pour it out. All I want is plain water. What is really confusing is that I get similar symptoms when I am dehydrated or starting to bonk- not quite the same reaction to sports drink but it gets more difficult to eat any calories as my stomach becomes unhappy.

If it didn't taste bad or make you ill on shorter rides, it's probably not the Permetuem that's the problem. I'd recommend figuring out the real problem and continue to get some of your calories via liquid- it's harder to eat enough if you are only eating solid food.

BTW, if it's got a "half way rest area", it is probably not a race.
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The water thing or too much Perpetuem is interesting... As one person recommended I do carry one bottle Perpetuem and one bottle fresh water. Though, maybe something got out of whack in my ratios.

Regarding "not a race"... I figured my "rest area" comment would bring that up . It was a "citizen" bike race. Pros started at the front and I'm assuming didn't use the rest area. They competed for some nice prizes. Outside of pros, it was open to all skill levels and was professionally timed. As I am not anywhere near professional status, it was a great way for me to see how fast I could do 90 miles. Having police-controlled intersections and the rest stop support was great! http://www.midwestsportsevents.com/racethelake.html

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No problem, Perpetuem works great for me. Used the Caffe Latte flavor all through the Eastern Sierra double century. Digested easily, kept me fueled. I like it!

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here's the thing about eating for long / hard rides: everybody's different, so ultimately you have to figure out what works for you.

plus, every ride is a unique experiment and it's difficult to compare...
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I've had the same experience with Perpetuem
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Maybe a weird question...

I've liked Perpetuem for a while. I found it gives me good energy for the various 40-60 mile rides I've been doing. Like most people, I find it gets funky when warm or after mixed for more than a few hours. For 60 miles it usually doesn't get too bad.

Today I did a 90-mile race (first race). So, I mixed a bottle for the first 45-miles, then at the half-way rest area I put in some fresh powder and water.

Around miles 65-70 I got a little nauseous... No vomiting but I felt like if I wasn't careful I would. I'm not exactly sure what the cause was, but all I know is it got harder and harder to drink the Perpetuem (which was still pretty fresh since the 45-mile station). The nausea could have been completely unrelated from the Perpetuem... either way, I didn't want any more. Luckily I had a few gels, so I decided to stop the Perpetuem and I took a gel for the last 15 miles.

So bottom line...does anyone else get sick of it after a few hours? Or better yet, have you found something you like better? I'm thinking of quitting cold turkey and switching to something like Hammergels plus food (I love Odwalla bars).

Also, for the record, I *think* I was fine on electrolytes. I think I had had about five Endurolytes by the time my stomach got funny. It wasn't too warm or sunny so I wasn't sweating as much as I normally do.

Thanks,
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Hey Jason.....I use a mix while riding that will be coming out in a couple of weeks. It is my mix and my company.

It is comprised of dextrose, maltodextrin, BCAA's, citrulline malate, taurine, L-tyrosine, and electrolytes. If you would like to give it a try let me know, I will send you a sample when it is ready. I think you will like it and will find it improves your performance.
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I usually use powdered Gadorade with some whey protein thrown in, but a recent 150 miler had this stuff at their rest areas so that's what I was drinking. While for the most part it does help with energy, I drank about a half a bottle just before a pretty harsh climb and ended up having most of it come back out, with this scenario almost repeating itself a couple other times throughout the ride. I've never experienced that before with any other sports drink.
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I can get a bit gassy sometimes when I drink too much in too short a time. I try to do a bottle of Heed for the first 2 hours and then switch to a bottle of plain water with Endurolytes and the other bottle a 2 hour Perpetuem bottle. This seems to work really well for me and after long rides I'm tired but not wrung-out.
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I have never became nauseous because of Perpetuem but I have done rides where I grew sick of the taste (Death Ride), other than that I drink it when I race and on 70+ mile rides - otherwise it's just water.

Hey Keith if you're passing out samples how do I get on that list?
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I've tried it twice (the last two weekends) and have felt nauseous after a period of time both times - that's enough for me. It's hard enough to be riding for 4-8 hours, the last thing you need is nausea.
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- I was also drinking plain water from a Camelbak, so an overly high concentration of Perpetuem shouldn't be the issue.
- The Perpetuem was reasonably fresh, as I was getting new bottles every 2 hours from a cooler - they'd never been warm (and if it spoils that fast, then it's impractical)
- The nausea wasn't from exhaustion as these were endurance events and I was pacing myself well

I switched over to gels, etc., and the nausea went away.
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I have been using Twinlab Endurance Fuel, very similar to Accelerade but taste much better..

http://www.vitacost.com/Twinlab-Endurance-Fuel
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I've had the same experience with Perpetuem in warmer weather. I tested it on a 150 mile ride in 35 degree weather. No problems. After 12hrs of drinking it in temps of 60 degrees, I just couldn't stomach it any longer. I have now switched to Heed, with gels. I also raced the Trans Iowa this last may. Started out with 100+ oz's of Heed and a frozen 6 hour bottle of perpetuam which almost had the consistancy of gel. After I finished the first batch of Heed I then began to sip on the Perpetuam while drinking nothing but water. It worked very well. I also mixed in some Hammer Rasberry gel for flavor into the Perpetuam.
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Hey Jason.....I use a mix while riding that will be coming out in a couple of weeks. It is my mix and my company.

It is comprised of dextrose, maltodextrin, BCAA's, citrulline malate, taurine, L-tyrosine, and electrolytes. If you would like to give it a try let me know, I will send you a sample when it is ready. I think you will like it and will find it improves your performance.
I'd love to try it so long as there are no animal-derived ingredients in it...
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I'd love to try it so long as there are no animal-derived ingredients in it...
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The Hammer Perpetuem needs to be kept cold all the time. That means it has to be prepared properly and stored in a type of bottle that insulates the contents.

What I do is to mix it with room temp water in a blender. That way it really gets mixed. Then I add the ice cubes into the blender at a higher speed. The Perpetuem will start to get frothy. I pour the contents into the insulated bottle. But the froth build up needs to settle and then I can fill the rest to top off.

If you go on long rides, then maybe 3 or 4 bottles. Two on the down tube and two attached to the seat tube. The saddle bag might get in the way so go jersey pockets or bento box. I prefer the fanny packs sold at hiking and outdoor stores like REI.

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The Perpetuem is nauseous, it causes you to be nauseated.

And yes it is nauseous. Its all they had in the Climb to Kaiser in 2008 at one rest stop, and I was nauseated something fierce while trying to get up Big Creek.

Now I run from Pertpetuem like a scalded dog.
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I bought a canister of Perpetuem, but I didn't care for the taste; I'd rather eat my oatmeal than drink it. I ended up giving half of it to a friend.

I like the Heed much better, and have bought that on several occasions. I've had problems digesting the Heed only one time, when I drank one of those goofy Monster-type energy drinks about 10 miles in to a century. At the midpoint of the ride, I was having an intestinal jihad. I later read that you're not to mix Heed with simple sugars, and I attribute the upset stomach to the energy drink earlier in the ride. I'm not sure if that's also the case with Perpetuem, but you might consider what else you're consuming and how they're interacting.
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