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    "I'm sorry, I can't help you with that"

    The answer I got from the Dr when asked about balancing carb intake against the fact that I ride 50 miles a day.

    I personally didn't think it was a mindless question considering I'm a Type 2 diabetic and he's whining about my "high" 7.1 A1C numbers. Grrrr.

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    Most MD's only get 1 class, if that, on nutrition. Have you talked to a CDE or RD?
    As a fellow T2, I could also suggest looking at the Zone diet. Its probably a bit higher in protein then the RD would recommend to you, but you still get adequate carbs to maintain a farily heavy workout schedule.
    Feel free to PM me if you wish.

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    Go to your local Hy-Vee and ask for there dietician. I know our small town of 6,000 has one on staff and you can set up a time to meet with her. She has quite a lot of experience and schooling to back it all up. Your luck may not be the same, or as I usually put it YMMV.
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    Thanks. I know that I could be a bit more OCD on the diet, but finding that fine line to keep the blood glucose levels down while still supplying adequate fuel for the exertion has proven to be a challenge. I bike commute and as a result it's been fun since I ride almost every weekday.

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    The thing that would bother me most is that your doctor didn't say something along the line of, " Let me speak to a nutritionist about your specific requirements and we'll see what we can come up with for you to try out".

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    The american diabetes association tells diabetics they can eat all the fruit they care for, so eat nothing but fruit carbs and your problem is solved.

    By the way you could cure your type 2 diabetes within weeks with a plant based diet, pretty much guaranteed

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    By the way you could cure your type 2 diabetes within weeks with a plant based diet, pretty much guaranteed
    I've seen you come off with some off the wall stuff, but that is just pure BS. Last I checked, Dr Quackensteins plant based cure did nothing for genetics. My entire family tree is Type 1 or Type 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    The american diabetes association tells diabetics they can eat all the fruit they care for, so eat nothing but fruit carbs and your problem is solved.

    By the way you could cure your type 2 diabetes within weeks with a plant based diet, pretty much guaranteed
    How much you want to bet on that one? I'm willing to put up 7 figures......since I've tried that.

    In addition, here's what the ADA says about fruit:
    http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...at/fruits.html
    "Wondering if you can eat fruit? Yes! Fruits are loaded with vitamins, minerals and fiber just like vegetables. Fruit contains carbohydrate so you need to count it as part of your meal plan. Having a piece of fresh fruit or fruit salad for dessert is a great way to satisfy your sweet tooth and get the extra nutrition your looking for. "

    Soo...."contains carbohydrate so you need to count it as part of your meal plan" sounds nothing like "can eat all the fruit they care for".
    Once again, you have shown your misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    By the way you could cure your type 2 diabetes within weeks with a plant based diet, pretty much guaranteed
    Resolving a prediabetic (impaired fasting glucose, insulin resistance) state with lifestyle modifications, if lifestyle were initially the cause? Sure.

    Reducing insulin-dependence and slowing progressive systemic damage? Sure.

    Curing a verified diabetic? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCrew View Post
    I've seen you come off with some off the wall stuff, but that is just pure BS. Last I checked, Dr Quackensteins plant based cure did nothing for genetics. My entire family tree is Type 1 or Type 2
    Ok have fun with your diabetes, personally if i had diabetes i would want to try every option available. Its clear you don't care about your personal well being because you would rather use bs excuses such as genetics .

    Genetics is an excuse for unhealthy, lazy, fat people for why they have health problems

    Soo...."contains carbohydrate so you need to count it as part of your meal plan" sounds nothing like "can eat all the fruit they care for".
    Once again, you have shown your misinformation.
    Then how do people cure diabetes with all fruit diets? Are they lying? They don't seem to be going into diabetic comas.

    It comes down to you can choose to live your life by guidelines and so called genetic theories or you can actually take control and be healthy. Its clear you and the Op have no interest in either

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    Quote Originally Posted by tadawdy View Post

    Curing a verified diabetic? No.
    Everything is cure able with lifestyle changes, you have no evidence to the contrary

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    Ok have fun with your diabetes, personally if i had diabetes i would want to try every option available. Its clear you don't care about your personal well being because you would rather use bs excuses such as genetics .

    Genetics is an excuse for unhealthy, lazy, fat people for why they have health problems


    Then how do people cure diabetes with all fruit diets? Are they lying? They don't seem to be going into diabetic comas.

    It comes down to you can choose to live your life by guidelines and so called genetic theories or you can actually take control and be healthy. Its clear you and the Op have no interest in either
    You know, I've never seen one person spew as much ignorance as you do.

    as for your silly question about diabetic comas....do you realize most of those are caused by either extreme lows (we're talking 20mg/dl of glucose) or highs so high the patient goes into extreme ketoacidosis and the kidneys fail. So, now what leads to ketoacidosis....high blood sugars and lack of insulin. What drives up blood sugars? Carbohydrates. And what is the main macro nutrient in fruit? Carbohydrates. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
    BTW, its usually not T2's who go into comas. And you aren't going to cure a T1, that's an autoimmune condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post

    Genetics is an excuse for unhealthy, lazy, fat people for why they have health problems
    Yes, all children with Type I diabetes were fat and lazy long enough to cause their own immune systems to destroy their beta cells. Same for those with thyroid conditions. Obviously, that's how this works.

    I'm sure we could all be world champions in any competition if we just practiced enough. Nevermind build and body proportions, natural hormone profiles, psychology, and aerobic capacity, all of which would be a great proportion genetic if genetics weren't a total myth as you have taught us. I just need to work harder, and I will win the TDF and have starlets hanging off of me.

    I have a hard time believing you are as arrogant and ignorant as your post would indicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tadawdy View Post
    Yes, all children with Type I diabetes were fat and lazy long enough to cause their own immune systems to destroy their beta cells. Same for those with thyroid conditions. Obviously, that's how this works.
    There have been anecdotal reports of people with type 1 diabetes who claim to have been able to normalize their blood sugar by following a special diet, to the point where they no longer need insulin at all. One example is Sergei Boutenko, the son of well known raw food writer Victoria Boutenko, whose family went on a raw food diet in an attempt to cope with the various different health problems of several family members after Sergei developed type 1 diabetes at the age of nine. The Boutenkos claim that Sergei never experienced any more diabetic symptoms after beginning to follow a 100% raw diet.
    http://www.fitnesstipsforlife.com/ty...o-options.html

    I said fat, lazy and UNHEALTHY. every single disease and sickness can be cured with diet, people have known this since the dawn of civilization. You will probably pass me off as some wacko internet nut tho

    Quote Originally Posted by tadawdy View Post
    I'm sure we could all be world champions in any competition if we just practiced enough. Nevermind build and body proportions, natural hormone profiles, psychology, and aerobic capacity, all of which would be a great proportion genetic if genetics weren't a total myth as you have taught us. I just need to work harder, and I will win the TDF and have starlets hanging off of me.
    You could be a world champion and win the tdf, anyone can with proper eating habits and determination. The only thing that effects you is your parents/grandparents(upto 4 generations back) eating habits but this is easily cured with a proper diet. Doubt me all you want I'm just letting you know that you can pretty much do and cure whatever you want, if you don't believe then too bad for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    There have been anecdotal reports of people with type 1 diabetes who claim to have been able to normalize their blood sugar by following a special diet, to the point where they no longer need insulin at all. One example is Sergei Boutenko, the son of well known raw food writer Victoria Boutenko, whose family went on a raw food diet in an attempt to cope with the various different health problems of several family members after Sergei developed type 1 diabetes at the age of nine. The Boutenkos claim that Sergei never experienced any more diabetic symptoms after beginning to follow a 100% raw diet.
    http://www.fitnesstipsforlife.com/ty...o-options.html

    I said fat, lazy and UNHEALTHY. every single disease and sickness can be cured with diet, people have known this since the dawn of civilization. You will probably pass me off as some wacko internet nut tho



    You could be a world champion and win the tdf, anyone can with proper eating habits and determination. The only thing that effects you is your parents/grandparents(upto 4 generations back) eating habits but this is easily cured with a proper diet. Doubt me all you want I'm just letting you know that you can pretty much do and cure whatever you want, if you don't believe then too bad for you
    Show me the link to a study.

    Anecdotes are bs unless you can put a few numbers to them.

    There was also an anecdote about a doctor in germany who got a bone marrow implant and changed his HIV+ status. Doesn't mean it works for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

    There was also an anecdote about a doctor in germany who got a bone marrow implant and changed his HIV+ status. Doesn't mean it works for everyone.
    Hiv is cure able with diet

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    Hiv is cure able with diet
    and if anyone believes that I have a real nice piece of land I can sell them in Russia. It's a great investment, only couple mil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    Hiv is cure able with diet
    this might be a wild swing for the fence but are you a scientologist? Cause I swear this sounds exactly like this one chick I met in San Fran. In any case this statement is more than enough to convince me you have ZERO credibility. Allow me to state this in spanish in case its not clear enough. You've got CERO credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    [B]Doubt me all you want I'm just letting you know that you can pretty much do and cure whatever you want, if you don't believe then too bad for you
    Diet can't cure stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post


    Then how do people cure diabetes with all fruit diets? Are they lying? They don't seem to be going into diabetic comas.

    It comes down to you can choose to live your life by guidelines and so called genetic theories or you can actually take control and be healthy. Its clear you and the Op have no interest in either
    They don't.
    You seem to not realize that T1 is an autoimmune issue, and diet change is not going to effect that.
    As far as T2, last I read, they had found numerous genetic issues that result in T2 diabetes. Diet can influence genetic transcription and therefore presentation. If, and its a big if, a person is able to change the presentation by changing to a vegetarian or fruitarian diet, its by pure luck that they happen to be the phenotype that worked on. In my case, vegetarian diets only run my sugars up much higher then a balanced diet.
    T2 diabetes may be a bunch of different conditions all presenting the same way. And you keep trying to claim to cure it...its not an it and for many, there is no known cure.
    As for your statement in this thread about curing HIV, well, you should get on Television and announce that to the world. There's millions suffering from AIDS all over the place. You could alleviate so much suffering, I don't understand why you are wasting your time posting on a cycling forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hemprider View Post
    Genetics is an excuse for unhealthy, lazy, fat people for why they have health problems
    Can I watch as you repeat this to a group of parents with children suffering from Downs Syndrome or Cystic Fibrosis? You'd have to eat a lot of fruit to recover from that beating.
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    It just so happens I have cystic fibrosis. I have been to many doctors and now see a specialist every 2 months unless my condition gets worse then I go more often. I have a dietitian as part of my specialist also. There is no cure for CF especially not a diet. Sorry but its another point against the "street pharmacist". LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
    Diet can't cure stupid.
    Yes it can!

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    I'm going to go back in time to tell my ancestors to nourish themselves better so I can win the TDF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
    Diet can't cure stupid.

    I'm beginning to think it may even cause it.

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