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Old 12-02-09, 07:52 PM   #1
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hemprider-this is for you

hey hemprider (or anyone else),i always look forward to your posts about the large number of dates or fruit you are eating. what exactly is the diet you are on? it has me kind of interested. do you think that one woudl lose a lot of weight if they went on it for 2 months or so?
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Hey fatslowbiker! Glad to see you are interested in this awesome diet! I'm on a diet called the 80/10/10 diet which refers to the macro nutrient profile(80% carbs, 10% fat, 10% protien). The Diet is a raw vegan diet which is essentially mass amounts of sweet fruit with some greens and a little bit of overt fats(avocado, nuts, seeds). If your truly interested in the diet I recommend you pick up a copy of Dr. Doug Grahams Book the 80/10/10 diet(Check it out on amazon or check out Dr.D's website foodnsport.com) or check out www.30bananasaday.com which is a message forum for people following the diet.

I personally have lost about 100 pounds on this diet and feel it would be an awesome tool for losing your excess weight and reaching your full potential.

Another site to take a look at, http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/index.html . Dr doug graham answers questions personally on this site and it always has good info

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Old 12-02-09, 11:34 PM   #3
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For a lifestyle, not a diet, this works. Although a Certified Sports Nutritionist, I simply tell clients and folks that the Mediterranean Food Pyramid is about the healthiest way to eat.
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Old 12-02-09, 11:48 PM   #4
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For a lifestyle, not a diet, this works. Although a Certified Sports Nutritionist, I simply tell clients and folks that the Mediterranean Food Pyramid is about the healthiest way to eat.
80/10/10 is a lifestyle about more than just what you eat, every program is called a diet even your glorified "Mediterranean Diet". The Mediterranean Food Pyramid is BS. The only reason Mediterranean people are healthy is because they eat more fresh fruit than the average person. Do yourself a favor shootingcoach and try the 80/10/10 diet, if you do it correctly you'll realize you have found the holy grail for sports nutrition and general health.
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Might I suggest you read "The Schwarzein Principle"? She explains the chemistry in your body and how it responds to what you put into it.
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Might I suggest you read "The Schwarzein Principle"? She explains the chemistry in your body and how it responds to what you put into it.
Another high protien, high fat diet that will not work long term. Especially for athletes or anyone interested in general fitness
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For a lifestyle, not a diet, this works. Although a Certified Sports Nutritionist, I simply tell clients and folks that the Mediterranean Food Pyramid is about the healthiest way to eat.
Apparently this is similar to my diet. Go figure.
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Another high protien, high fat diet that will not work long term. Especially for athletes or anyone interested in general fitness
I agree with you on the point of athletes, but most people who want to lose a significant amount of weight are not athletes. For the portion of the population who just want to lose weight, diets like Atkins actually do work. The studies that have pitted the Zone, Mediterranean, Atkins, and macronutrient distribution diets have favored Atkins in terms of weight loss. As far as I know, the longest of these has been a year.

Concerns about the immediate effects of a diet like Atkins on blood lipids also seem unfounded, as they were not significantly changed after a year (most blood cholesterol is endogenous, anyhow). This isn't to say that, on a longer timeline, there wouldn't be negative consequences, or that lipids are the whole story; a year is obviously not enough to study the impacts of lifestyle choices, and sugars are also implicated in aging (e.g. formation of advanced glycation end-products, in food and the body). Then again, the maintenance phase of Atkins does not entirely exclude plants, as many vegetables do not contain large doses of carbohydrate. It is conceivable that one could follow such a plan and still be consuming siginificant plant matter. As far as gimmicks go, it's far better than most.

I think the larger problem with diets in developed areas is that they are processed and calorically, rather than nutritionally, dense. Many cultures have thrived on their own native diets, which include all ranges of macronutrient distributions; this is what diets such as the Mediterranean are getting at, really. You could create a diet plan formed around the ideals of the Inuit, who, historically, also had far lower rates of chronic disease. Your main challenge here would be finding whale blubber. You'd still be eating real, whole foods, which is much of the problem in a developed society.

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Dear Hemprider

The MFP is not a "magic bullet" for the grossly overweight, but for folks who want to live longer, healthier, more productive lives.

It seems that not everyone who has tried the "diet" has had good results. Some folks have had severe health issues. The good "Doctor" is a Chiropractor. One wonders where he got his education in nutrition?

Make sure things you recommend are not going to cause anyone problems. The MFP can be used with good results by anyone without issues.
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It always boils down to the formula of calories in < calories out.
Some people choose intermittent fasting, some people choose low carb, some people choose high fat, some people choose high protein, some people choose high carb, some people choose the weight loss modified version of SAD (100 calorie packs, anyone?).
Losing weight is simple. Really simple. Dont buy into any industry that thrives off of telling you that you are doing it wrong. It will always be calories in vs. calories out.
"Eat less, move more." - Brad Pilon.
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The MFP is not a "magic bullet" for the grossly overweight, but for folks who want to live longer, healthier, more productive lives.
No one said it was, neither is the 80/10/10 diet.

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It seems that not everyone who has tried the "diet" has had good results. Some folks have had severe health issues. The good "Doctor" is a Chiropractor. One wonders where he got his education in nutrition?
The only people who get "severe health issues" are the people who fail to eat enough calories. I think you would agree you would have problems on any diet if you didn't get enough calories. Don't go trashing something you've never done. You don't need education in nutrition to know fruits and vegetables are the best thing for you, so why not eat exclusively fruits and vegetables? Most M.D.'s have very little knowledge of nutrition, doctors used to recommend smoking cigarettes...

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Make sure things you recommend are not going to cause anyone problems. The MFP can be used with good results by anyone without issues.
As can the 80/10/10 program. The thread was addressed at me based on my diet, he never asked shootingcoach what his opinion was, so stop trying to jack the thread. Maybe actually read the 80/10/10 diet, do it for awhile and then make an opinion. Shootingcoach this diet is not for you, you do not want optimal health
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hey hemprider (or anyone else)
"anyone else" certainly sounds like an open invitation to me
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Old 12-04-09, 10:40 AM   #13
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@fatslowbiker, never mind the naysayers. If your interested in getting fit and turning your life around feel free to PM me and i can give you a complete outline of the program and what to do.
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I don't think anyowne would disagree that fruits and veggies are great foods. Personally though, I like a little meat (venison, beef, chicken, fish). I think a bit more protein can't hurt, but I'm no Dr. or nutritionist. I say everything in moderation.
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I don't think anyowne would disagree that fruits and veggies are great foods. Personally though, I like a little meat (venison, beef, chicken, fish). I think a bit more protein can't hurt, but I'm no Dr. or nutritionist. I say everything in moderation.
Seems like a little extra protein will hurt...
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ummm yeah that test had very little to do with humans. They tested flies and basically said since we share some genes with flies the results may work for humans as well...but they didn't test humans...they just extrapolated their findings would work. I'm sure we share a few genes with some houseplants as well if I'm not mistaken. They didn't even bother to tell us how much longer the flies lived or even what their health was like. Perhaps they did live significantly longer but did they perform as well as they did when they had the protein? Their study was intended to extend the lifespan and nothing more. Well there are plenty of ways for me to live longer but that doesn't mean I live better. Give me the case study for this thing. I'd take quality over quantity any day.
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ummm yeah that test had very little to do with humans. They tested flies and basically said since we share some genes with flies the results may work for humans as well...but they didn't test humans...they just extrapolated their findings would work. I'm sure we share a few genes with some houseplants as well if I'm not mistaken. They didn't even bother to tell us how much longer the flies lived or even what their health was like. Perhaps they did live significantly longer but did they perform as well as they did when they had the protein? Their study was intended to extend the lifespan and nothing more. Well there are plenty of ways for me to live longer but that doesn't mean I live better. Give me the case study for this thing. I'd take quality over quantity any day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study - Human evidence.
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I'd take quality over quantity any day.
This clearly isn't true or else your would be following the 80/10/10 program
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We share 25% of our genes with bananas. Does that make it cannibalism?
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Or not . . .
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Not that i necessarily believe the china study entirely but dismissing it all as false because some dude with a bachelors degree in history tried to debunk it is pretty ignorant. Whether or not the china study has any bearing isn't really that relevant, its a fact you only need ~5% protien or less and its been proven by the most accurate source possible.
Nature. Breast milk contains 6% protien by calories, infancy is where human protien needs are at there peak as babies are growing extremely fast
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You don't need education in nutrition to know fruits and vegetables are the best thing for you, so why not eat exclusively fruits and vegetables?
Because maybe there's a diet that includes fruits vegetables and something else that's healthier than just fruits and vegetables?
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Because maybe there's a diet that includes fruits vegetables and something else that's healthier than just fruits and vegetables?
Nothing is healthier then just fruits and vegetables
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I was trying to point out how that was faulty logic. Assuming that no food can exist which could augment a fruit/vegetable diet because fruits/vegetables are generally accepted as the healthiest food is not logical

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FWIW: zoologists observing animals in the wild conclude that they go out of their way to consume the widest possible variety of foods, even choosing to eat a little of some foods they actively dislike. Diversity is a smart evolutionary strategy.
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