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Old 10-27-04, 10:45 AM   #1
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Heart rate dropping now, AM I getting fitter?

Ive been riding 50-75 miles per week for a month now, got a new trek, like it, bought it to loose weight. Im down to 200 from 220 in july. I got a HRM and averaged 150-155 while just spinning pretty hard on the flats and up to 185-190 and once 192 while climbing.

Now, The last few rides, I have to really work to get my HR up to 155-160 and Its not been over 175 in 3 rides no matter how hard I work. Im thinking my heart is having to work less to deliver the blood and oxygen to its needed places. AM I RIGHT or Is somthing wrong.

ON THE FLIP SIDE.........

My cardio hasnt improved on those last 3 rides, yes my HR is lower, average now 144 to where is was 150-155 in flats. However, I still get out of breath just as fast and my legs get to burning just as fast after or into a climb. When I get to the top of a steep hill, Im still beat and VERY winded and my legs are burning like a mofo and even tho my heart feels like its going 1000 miles per hour, its 172, a far cry from 192 in my oppinion.


Does the HR, cardio and muscular system come around at different times or does one come in before another. Come in meaning getting well enough to handle and recover from my output?

I just have friends who I CANNOT keep up with and yes they are seasoned riders and are very fast. Yes Im impatient but Im seeing what I think is improvement. (I hope)

When I first started this biking, my Resting heart rate lying still after 20 minutes on the couch was 68, last time I checked it, it was 55-59 with a 4 second low of 50. So Im thinking Im going in the right direction if I could just get some freaking breath and power to the ground.

Help if you can!
Thanks in advance!

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Old 10-27-04, 11:35 AM   #2
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You are right.
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Old 10-27-04, 11:36 AM   #3
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shew I was worried

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anyone else?
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hitting the gym to strengthen your legs may help you catch your friends quicker.
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That progress is truly impressive. Congrats! It's hard to say about the cardio, though. I don't really get out of breath at all anymore, at least not the way I used to. If you're having trouble catching your friends, you consider doing some high intensity interval sets, like the ones found on SPinervals 3.0 Suffer O Rama. I've been doing these twice per week, and the difference in acceleration ability, as well as how long I can sustain HR's above 90% has exploded. I found myself chasing down two roadies, whom I had seen from about a mile back, yesterday for about ten minutes at a HR of about 92%. Before Spinervals, I would have never even lasted one minute at that intensity. Just a thought.

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My cardio hasnt improved on those last 3 rides, yes my HR is lower, average now 144 to where is was 150-155 in flats. However, I still get out of breath just as fast and my legs get to burning just as fast after or into a climb. When I get to the top of a steep hill, Im still beat and VERY winded and my legs are burning like a mofo and even tho my heart feels like its going 1000 miles per hour, its 172, a far cry from 192 in my oppinion.
But are you any faster? You may be pushing yourself to the same perceived exertion yet are gaining power and speed. I found when I returned to cycling that I saw this pattern evolve over time (especially for climbs):

1) very winded and slow
2) very winded yet faster
3) winded yet faster *and* climbing a cog or two higher
4) less winded and even faster
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When I first started this biking, my Resting heart rate lying still after 20 minutes on the couch was 68, last time I checked it, it was 55-59 with a 4 second low of 50.
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Resting heart rate is best measured while you are still in bed in the morning. In general, the lower it is, the better fittness you are in. Very fit runners in their 20's can have sub 30 bpm.

In the running world, a rise in resting heart rate can be an indicator of over-training. I suppose the same things apply to cycling.
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Im not any faster by the clock. However, Im climbing on the middle chainring most of the time, (05 trek 1000) yep its a triple.

Im getting better in the hills, just still no wind and alot of burn but no faster. Not yet anyhow.
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Ive been riding 50-75 miles per week for a month now, got a new trek, like it, bought it to loose weight. Im down to 200 from 220 in july. I got a HRM and averaged 150-155 while just spinning pretty hard on the flats and up to 185-190 and once 192 while climbing.

Now, The last few rides, I have to really work to get my HR up to 155-160 and Its not been over 175 in 3 rides no matter how hard I work. Im thinking my heart is having to work less to deliver the blood and oxygen to its needed places. AM I RIGHT or Is somthing wrong.

ON THE FLIP SIDE.........

My cardio hasnt improved on those last 3 rides, yes my HR is lower, average now 144 to where is was 150-155 in flats. However, I still get out of breath just as fast and my legs get to burning just as fast after or into a climb. When I get to the top of a steep hill, Im still beat and VERY winded and my legs are burning like a mofo and even tho my heart feels like its going 1000 miles per hour, its 172, a far cry from 192 in my oppinion.


Does the HR, cardio and muscular system come around at different times or does one come in before another. Come in meaning getting well enough to handle and recover from my output?

I just have friends who I CANNOT keep up with and yes they are seasoned riders and are very fast. Yes Im impatient but Im seeing what I think is improvement. (I hope)

When I first started this biking, my Resting heart rate lying still after 20 minutes on the couch was 68, last time I checked it, it was 55-59 with a 4 second low of 50. So Im thinking Im going in the right direction if I could just get some freaking breath and power to the ground.

Help if you can!
Thanks in advance!

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It sounds like you are either 1) Getting fitter, or 2) becoming fatigued from pushing yourself hard too frequently. If your body is fatigued, your working HR will drop over time for the same power output.
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Sounds like over training. take 3-4 days off the bike get back on it and i bet your hrt goes back to where it use to be.when i stated cycling my rest hrt was 65 (3yrs ago) now it's 43 but i still have near the same max hrt.
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Old 11-07-04, 09:43 PM   #11
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Sounds like a little bit of overtraining to me as well. The inability to get your heart rate up no matter how hard you try is a classic symptom.
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Your legs may be zapping you on account of nothing more than anaerobic fatigue. You cannot sustain anaerobic for the same amount of time you can aerobic. You may well catch your buddies on the flat but losing them on the climbs is quite ok. Put emphasis in your climbing training (gym or road) and you will build more metabolic pathways to facilitate anaerobic demands. I feel absolutely pooped on hills even though I tire long before my heart rate tells me to stop and catch a rest.

For the record: I'm 50 and my recovery time from 240/90 back to 120/80 is about 1 min 30 secs. I'm no olympic athlete but I reckon that's good. When I climb hills, I can literally (depend on the angle of the climb) be utterly wrecked in 50 meters (talking mtb here so maybe the trail conditions are a factor). I've passed very fit riders who rub my nose in the dirt on the flat and downhill, but given a moderate climb I can usually nip past them. Try not to equate heart rate with anaerobic (hill fatigue especially). Otherwise, you sound as fit as a fast fiddle.
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