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Old 12-07-04, 03:26 PM   #1
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Diet Soda-how bad and why?

I read about how diet soda is so bad for you but none of these articles cite any real studies showing the negative side effects. Most of these studies state that you body turns the "Aspartame" into formaldehyde and also into acetone and how bad this is for you. Well, your body produces these in a number of different processes and in such small quantities that it causes no harm. Now I'm not saying that you should drink acetone or formaldehyde, but the quantities you produce from "Aspartame" doesn't seem to be enough to matter. Can anyone show me a real study with evidence to back up the diet soda being "bad".
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Old 12-07-04, 03:32 PM   #2
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ASPARTANE, horrid stuff. Worse than sugar, in certain ways. I only drink coke once a month or sometimes two when i do that i find a cherry coke. mmmmmmm cherry coke
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http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/
http://www.dorway.com/
http://presidiotex.com/aspartame/
http://www.sweetpoison.com/

those are some site that i found, didnt read them though

anyway i think they are about how much it is bad for you. I am not against it just a teller of the truth.
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thanks for the links, but i'm not looking for an opinion from someone trying to sell a book. I'm looking for studies of 100 or more people with an "Aspartame" group a control group and a regular soda group that clearly states that the "Aspartame" group developed significantly more problems than the other two groups. I've been looking for such a study, but I can't seem to find one. Everything that I read about the negative side effects of "Aspartame" are just speculation and assumptions.
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thanks for the links, but i'm not looking for an opinion from someone trying to sell a book. I'm looking for studies of 100 or more people with an "Aspartame" group a control group and a regular soda group that clearly states that the "Aspartame" group developed significantly more problems than the other two groups. I've been looking for such a study, but I can't seem to find one. Everything that I read about the negative side effects of "Aspartame" are just speculation and assumptions.
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Looks like you want a study that proves aspertame is just fine.
Likely you will find it..LOL
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Doesn't apply to products sweetened with Splenda. Does it?
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"Looks like you want a study that proves aspertame is just fine.
Likely you will find it..LOL"

I'm looking for the real story. Water in hudge quanties has been proven to be bad for your kindeys, but it is fine under normal consumption. I just don't believe all the hype about how bad "Aspartame" is for you and would like to see a real study showing the hows and whys.
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Doesn't apply to products sweetened with Splenda. Does it?
No Splenda is a different animal. I'm sure if you dig around, you'll find postives and negatives about Splenda. Personally, I don't use artificial sweeteners or fats (only real sugar, real butter, real cheese, etc), but from what I have researched, I would trust Spelnda more than aspartame. I won't eat aspartame, period.
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Splenda "study" from links above:

better watch out for this one also!

Recent Research
A possible problem with caecal enlargement and renal mineralization has been seen in post approval animal research.


Sucralose Breaks Down
Despite the manufacturer's mis-statements, sucralose does break down into small amounts of 1,6-dichlorofructose, a chemical that has not been adequately tested in humans.


Independent, Long-Term Human Research
None. Manufacturer's "100's of studies" (some of which show hazards) were clearly inadequate and do not demonstrate safety in long-term use.


Chlorinated Pesticides
The manufacturer claims that the chlorine added to sucralose is similar to the chlorine atom in the salt (NaCl) molecule. That is not the case. Sucralose may be more like ingesting tiny amounts of chlorinated pesticides, but we will never know without long-term, independent human research.


Conclusion
While it is unlikely that sucralose is as toxic as the poisoning people are experiencing from Monsanto's aspartame, it is clear from the hazards seen in pre-approval research and from its chemical structure that years or decades of use may contribute to serious chronic immunological or neurological disorders.
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Just my personal experience with diet soft drinks versus regular. I cannot drink diet soft drinks without a meal and nothing less than a meal. Not a snack, a meal. Otherwise, an empty feeling comes over me. Almost like what it feels like when you bonk (low blood sugar). Consequently, I feel like I have to rush to my pantry to abate this feeling. Toxic or not, this empty feeling cancels the benefits of zero calories.
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You'll die from natural causes before any of these substances do noticable harm to you.
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You want to see how and why it's bad for you. Go buy a years supply of diet coke, and drink a couple every day.
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"Looks like you want a study that proves aspertame is just fine.
Likely you will find it..LOL"

I'm looking for the real story. Water in hudge quanties has been proven to be bad for your kindeys, but it is fine under normal consumption. I just don't believe all the hype about how bad "Aspartame" is for you and would like to see a real study showing the hows and whys.
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Recent discussion about this on USENET, with no one able to cite any REAL study. However, why take a chance? I drink one every few days, but drink mostly water or juice.
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I guess the question should also be is it better for you than regular soda. I am a Mtn Dew addict. Be it the taste or the caffine or whatever I drink it every day. During my diet I have switched to Diet Dew which has had a couple of effects. 1) I drink much less because it doesn't taste nearly as good. 2) Cutting the cal not only from each can but from reduced intake is helping my weight loss. Now if someone is going to tell me this will kill me before drinking normal Dew then I will switch back or make a more concerted effort to just not drink it but that is going to be a big step for me.
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I guess the question should also be is it better for you than regular soda. I am a Mtn Dew addict. Be it the taste or the caffine or whatever I drink it every day. During my diet I have switched to Diet Dew which has had a couple of effects. 1) I drink much less because it doesn't taste nearly as good. 2) Cutting the cal not only from each can but from reduced intake is helping my weight loss. Now if someone is going to tell me this will kill me before drinking normal Dew then I will switch back or make a more concerted effort to just not drink it but that is going to be a big step for me.

Maybe you could stock up on those "shortie" cans of pop they sell now.
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I drink a five-pack (one of the tall cylinders) full of Crystal Light every week (about 2quarts per day). I wonder if that's bad for me... It's obviously sweetened with something, but I always thought it would be healthier than drinkig diet sodas all the time, which is what I used to do, until I started serious training and decided to cut out caffiene entirely.
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I was drinking Fresca for awhile...zilch calories....Now I drink 1 Vernor's ginger ale per
day. As far as coffee, it seems suggestive, for some people they feel better without it, others do just fine. I have seen no evidence coffee is bad for you.
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Curious - what is wrong with just drinking filtered water? People act as if it is some kind of a punishment to just drink H2O??? Squeeze a bit of lemon juice in the glass if you want to jazz it up a bit.
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Curious - what is wrong with just drinking filtered water? People act as if it is some kind of a punishment to just drink H2O??? Squeeze a bit of lemon juice in the glass if you want to jazz it up a bit.
Try doing my job. Water isn't going to keep you awake. But seriously I have replaced a large amount of soda with water (drinking >64 oz a day now) but still have that urge for a soda so now I do the diet thing.
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Curious - what is wrong with just drinking filtered water? People act as if it is some kind of a punishment to just drink H2O??? Squeeze a bit of lemon juice in the glass if you want to jazz it up a bit.
Did someone say there was something wrong with it?
Besides my one soda per day and a cup of coffee in the morning that's all I do drink.
Most of us probably do drink a lot of water, one other 12 oz drink per day won't hurt much.
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Some folks live 90+ years smoking and drinking daily. Others live a 'healthy' life, exercise, eating like an olympian, 8+ hours of sleep a night, and die in their 50's. I follow the old rule of 'anything in excess is bad'.

I eat well, drink lots of water, probably too much coffee. But I have lost 36#'s in the last year, rode 3k+miles and havent been sick. That to me is a far better indication of health then the number of soda's I drank.
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I think that I am going to try to give up all flavored drinks. One; it is a way to save some money. Two: My throat starts to feel a little funny after I drink a diet pop. Three: The amount of chemicals in diet soda leads me to believe that it isn't the greatest for you. I'll still have one every now and then, but for now, I think will let this 12 pack run out and not get any more.
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In the summer months I love drinking a cold Hansens Diet Soda or two after a ride. Very refreshing and tasty.

Its sweetened with 100% Spenda (I saw the post in this thread about possible issues with Splenda)

I like Diet Hansens (not because its 'all natural' - not sure what this really means for a diet soda) but because I like the various fruit flavors so much.

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I've always been watching for some real proof vs the knee jerk reactions and have yet to see any. The only carbonated bev I drink is diet non caffeinated. Since thats all I buy thats all my kids drink too. If I saw a real study indicating reg soda was better for them I would switch back ... but I notice BIG difference in the kids ...when they get the mega sugar and caffine doses from reg soda they are bouncing off the walls and have real problems with self control. My sister is always gasping in horror that I give my kids diet while she only lets hers have reg and juice ... her kids are always on a sugar high, are overweight and have teeth problems; mine are thin and athletic, calmer and have great teeth and have been sick maybe 2 days in 2 years. I know there are tons of other factors involved ... but ??? In 5+ years I've drank nothing but diet (for sodas) and weigh 50+ pounds less, in best physical condition in 25 years and haven't missed a day for sickness in years. So until I see some kind of sceintific study my conclusion is that diet drinks are tons better for you than regular soda and are the next best thing to water.
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I don't think you will find a scientific double blind study because
1. they cost money
2. manufacturers who fund a study hope to use the diet substance and have no interest in publishing negative business information
3. consumer advocates usually have hotter hot buttons than diet drinks.

You should be able to find lots of antedotal accounts, i.e. stories of how the substance effected one person/family/group. But genetics can have a huge effect on side effects.

Antedotally, we gave up on both soda and diet sodas for the following reasons:
1. they are addictive. Harder to give up on colas than smoking.
2. they cause hi-low cycling of moods and energy levels,
3. they increase appetite and so consume more calories than drinking equavalent non diet drink
4. they reinforce a drug addiction habit: I don't feel perfect, I will take some XYZ and I'll feel better.
5. they are not natural and thus less than best for our bodies
6. they increase headache frequency and durations.
7. they tend to increase long term problems with teeth and joints.

Your body chemistry is different, but those are the common results of a 2 culture family.

Best advice:
1. drink water,
2. if not water, add weak teas. Not too much or will dehydrate body. Watch for allergic reactions with teas. Celestial seasons is notorious for adding XYZ which may have an unexpected allergy reaction.
3. if not weak teas, try the mexican solution. Pour a small, about 1/8th at most, better is 1/10, or a good squirt of fruit juice in water.
4. If non of above, go with filtered water.
5. NB: Hot water works better than cold water in satisfying thirst.
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