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Old 12-13-04, 11:50 PM   #1
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Gaining 5 pounds overnight?

Well it sounds crazy but it seems to be happening. I was over at someone's house for dinner last night and obviously had to go off my diet.

I had carrot soup, a small portion of BBQ chicken, 3 potato pancakes, some cooked sqaush dish, a small portion of fruit (black berries, strawberries, cranberries, and blue berries), a strawberry sorbet type dish, and a very small piece of cake.

It sounds like a lot but I limited my portions with the exception of the potato pancakes. I got on the scale this morning and I had gained almost 5 pounds even though I rode my exercise bike when I got home for 50 minutes. Is it possible to gain that weight from the food alone? Or is it simply fluid retention of some kind. I noticed this happeneing before when I eat big meals. Any advice?
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How much did the food weigh? + the drink that you had?
Take a crap and pee - you'll be OK.
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That's quite a bit, but not that uncommon. Day to day weight changes can be that large due to differences in when you measured yourself, scale accuracy, bowel movements, hydration levels, menstrual periods, etc. Probably about half of it was due to pigging out, with the rest due to "natural causes".
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filter the lead shot out of the carrot soup next time
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I once increased my weight by 10lbs - from before dinner deyhrated and without lunch that day to after a large dinner with a pitcher of beer and a pitcher of water. Maybe kind of a shock to the body, but not a typicaly eating pattern. Some say it is a bad habit to weigh onself to frequently, but if you do for a week or so you will learn that you body weight is not static. A more typical daily variation for me is 2-3lbs.
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it sounds like a lot but it wasn't. Trust me. But thanks to those who took my question seriously.
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another thing is that if you had ridden hard the day before, you might have had a depleted level of glycogen. your body will stock up gloycogen to the tune of 400 grams or so, and thats about a pound. plus, I've heard that for every gram of glycogen stored, you have another 3 grams of water that the glycogen holds or something. so thats another 3 pounds. total of 4 pounds, just from letting your muscles recover.
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another thing is that if you had ridden hard the day before, you might have had a depleted level of glycogen. your body will stock up gloycogen to the tune of 400 grams or so, and thats about a pound. plus, I've heard that for every gram of glycogen stored, you have another 3 grams of water that the glycogen holds or something. so thats another 3 pounds. total of 4 pounds, just from letting your muscles recover.
wow, very interesting indeed. Is there any way to track the level of glycogen in the body?
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Well it sounds crazy but it seems to be happening. I was over at someone's house for dinner last night and obviously had to go off my diet.

I had carrot soup, a small portion of BBQ chicken, 3 potato pancakes, some cooked sqaush dish, a small portion of fruit (black berries, strawberries, cranberries, and blue berries), a strawberry sorbet type dish, and a very small piece of cake.

It sounds like a lot but I limited my portions with the exception of the potato pancakes. I got on the scale this morning and I had gained almost 5 pounds even though I rode my exercise bike when I got home for 50 minutes. Is it possible to gain that weight from the food alone? Or is it simply fluid retention of some kind. I noticed this happeneing before when I eat big meals. Any advice?
BBQ = salt, potato pancakes = salt, cooked squash = salt; You probably put on a great deal of water weight with all of the salt intake from theat meal. I am a physician - elderly patients will come into the office after Thanksgiving with swollen legs from all of the salt intake/water retention. Not to mention the lead shot in the carrots...
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oh wow I didn't even think of that. The 5 pounds is more or less gone now. Thanks everyone for the input!
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Salt was going to be my guess but the Doc beat me to it. I suppose he isn't guessing.
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How much did the food weigh? + the drink that you had?
Take a crap and pee - you'll be OK.
did He just get a scale for Christmas...

It is Friday and I needed a laugh......

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When you're on a diet, your liver's glycogen stores are depleted. Eat a big meal, and your liver takes up large amounts of sugar water. There's your 5 pounds. You can even notice it in the mirror, if you look before and after It will only take a short time in a caloric deficit to return to your previous state.
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When you're on a diet, your liver's glycogen stores are depleted. Eat a big meal, and your liver takes up large amounts of sugar water. There's your 5 pounds. You can even notice it in the mirror, if you look before and after It will only take a short time in a caloric deficit to return to your previous state.
Even with depleted liver glycogen stores, he cannot gain 5 pounds overnight by eating a big meal. The typical male athlete will store around 90 grams of carbohydrate as liver glycogen. If he were completely depleted, he would have to take in approximately 2,200 grams of carbohydrate, which would come out to approximately 9,000 calories. Reduce that by 50% to account for him not being 'completely' depleted, and that's still 4,500 calories of carbohydrates in one meal. The typical American diet should include approximately 2,000 - 2,500 calories (of course athletes typically need more, but he's on a diet), so he would have to consume quite a large amount of carbohydrate to cause such a response.

This amount of food (carrot soup, a small portion of BBQ chicken, 3 potato pancakes, some cooked sqaush dish, a small portion of fruit (black berries, strawberries, cranberries, and blue berries), a strawberry sorbet type dish, and a very small piece of cake) will not, in any way, cause that much weight gain or provide that many calories.

Depending on when he weighed himself, his level of hydration, and dieting habits (among other variables), the weight gain could have been caused by anything, but certainly not by eating the food. And if his liver glycogen stores were depleted, exercising wouldn't be that much fun. There's no reason for any endurance athlete to train in a depleted state. There is no benefit to be gained from that.
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he probably ate some very salty food, and water follows salt, so it was mostly water weight. go on a low salt diet for a few days, do some hard exercise, you'll flush the excess sodium and water out
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I don't know what kind of diet he was on to say that he gained 5 lbs overnight. That is highly highly unlikely.
For him to put on nearly 5 lbs of water weight by eating salty foods, he would have to consume A TON of salt and would definitely be seeing the effects of that. Take a look at what he ate. It's not much - at least compared to the typical American diet and portions for one meal. There is not enough salt in that dinner that he consumed to cause such weight gain - the only way there would have been is if he salted everything on his plate like it was going out of style.

There is no reason for his diet to cause this, and there is no reason for him to alter his diet any more or to change the way he exercises. Trying to "flush" things out is not a good idea because it can lead to more weight loss. This yo-yo dieting effect is actually more detremental than being above your ideal body weight, but healthy because you exercise on a regular basis.

If the original poster is reading this now, continue with whatever you were doing before you ate this meal, disregard anything that the scale told you. There is no possible way you could have gained 5lbs overnight. Even if it were water weight, it will go away in time. Don't do anything drastic to try to get rid of it.
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It is most likely fluid retention.

The squash and the fruit that you had would have provided fibre that needs a generous amount of water in order to go through your system properly. In order to have gained 5 pounds in one night, you would have had to have eaten over 15 thousand extra calories than you needed (that's about 15 large meals from McDonald's).

Yes, water seems like the culprit. Or it could be something else which wasn't put into the toilet.
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After the Italian dinner on fri. I think im gonna gain at least 10 points

mmmmm fish cakes, mmmmmm pasta, mmmmmmm calamari

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OMG i said points what was i thinking, *POUNDS, that was pretty stupid of me
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Even with depleted liver glycogen stores, he cannot gain 5 pounds overnight by eating a big meal. The typical male athlete will store around 90 grams of carbohydrate as liver glycogen. If he were completely depleted, he would have to take in approximately 2,200 grams of carbohydrate, which would come out to approximately 9,000 calories. Reduce that by 50% to account for him not being 'completely' depleted, and that's still 4,500 calories of carbohydrates in one meal. The typical American diet should include approximately 2,000 - 2,500 calories (of course athletes typically need more, but he's on a diet), so he would have to consume quite a large amount of carbohydrate to cause such a response.

This amount of food (carrot soup, a small portion of BBQ chicken, 3 potato pancakes, some cooked sqaush dish, a small portion of fruit (black berries, strawberries, cranberries, and blue berries), a strawberry sorbet type dish, and a very small piece of cake) will not, in any way, cause that much weight gain or provide that many calories.

Depending on when he weighed himself, his level of hydration, and dieting habits (among other variables), the weight gain could have been caused by anything, but certainly not by eating the food. And if his liver glycogen stores were depleted, exercising wouldn't be that much fun. There's no reason for any endurance athlete to train in a depleted state. There is no benefit to be gained from that.
90 grams of carbs, but how many more of water?
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thanks everyone. I'm not too worried about it as it came off more or less.

I do seem ot have another problem though. I count calories so I know how much I've had in one day. It seems like no matter what I do, if I go over a certain number of calories in one day and even exercise vigorously, I gain weight. I think I'm making myself crazy by counting calories too much and weighing myself too much. I had a target weight when I started dieting and I think it got to me b/c now I want to reach it without gaining extra weight whenever I eat 1200+ calories a day. What should I do? I'm gonna try and stop weighing myself so often but it's hard to ignore my scale and my progress or lack thereof. But can this be possible? Say I eat 1100 calories in one day. Let's also say I exercise for an hour (walking and jogging only) that day. Keep in mind that 1100 calories is was low in fat and somewhat low in sugar. Is it possible that I could gain weight if I kept this up? I mean I've heard it's dangerous to take in any less than 1200 calories a day but I seem to gain weight when I do. Also, you would think exercising even lightly by walking and jogging every day would keep my weight stable with such a low caloric intake. The problem is I'm doing this by myself. I haven't consulted a dietician or physical trainer. Ugh, this has subconsciously become a real mental issue with me and I don't know what to do.
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cheebahmunkey - don't stress over it so much.

Comparing any two scale weights is not very meaningful - your body weight changes hour by hour, and not always because of what you've eaten. I weigh myself daily (and record it in my program), and over the past year I've seen daily weight "gains" of up to 4 lbs, and daily weight "losses" of 3.8 lbs. Daily body weight fluctuations can be caused by hydration levels, bowel movements, salt intake, food intake, menstrual periods (if applicable ), etc. It's the longer term trends that are important, not the day to day numbers.

If you're really only consuming 1100-1200 calories per day, and exercising, you're almost certain to be losing weight. You may, in fact, be losing weight too fast and/or not getting enough vitamins and minerals at that level.

If you'll post your current height, weight, age and gender, I'll run your numbers through some of the analytical tools in my WeightWare program and give you some empirical feedback on where you're at, and your estimated metabolic rate.
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Keep in mind that 1100 calories is was low in fat and somewhat low in sugar.
It doesn't much matter whether the calories were from fat, sugar, or steak. With respect to weight loss, calories are calories (or, if you're in Europe, joules are joules).
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