Training benefit of 8 hour death marches?
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Training benefit of 8 hour death marches?
I just bit off more than I could chew in the hills yesterday. It was fun in the beginning, but I soon realized my route had too many miles and vertical feet. Nothing like being 30 miles from your car with a mountain in the way. End result -- I didn't bonk, but I blew an entire day and I'm still pretty wiped out.
Assuming I recover to a stronger state, is there any training benefit to these 8 hour slogs versus a 2 hour fast group ride or intervals?
Assuming I recover to a stronger state, is there any training benefit to these 8 hour slogs versus a 2 hour fast group ride or intervals?
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You can only build endurance by enduring. That's why it's called that. When I started serious riding, I'd ride away from home until I was exhausted, then ride back. It is said that distance equals strength. It is also said that by riding slowly, one learns to ride slowly. The converse is also true. It is also said that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That is not always true.
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According to Hunter Allen (https://www.hunterallenpowerblog.com/...1_archive.html), to get to the Next Level you should do 2-3 long rides/month.
You have to get in (2) big rides each month and preferably (3) big rides. Rides that are at least 5-6 hours long that force you to dig deep near the end, so that when you reach home, you are tired and your muscles are quivering(not cramping though) from the fatigue. This is the #1 thing you can do and you cannot skip this step if you want to go to the next level, no matter if you are a pro or a recreational cyclist, you have to increase the miles, hours, and overall volume of training stress in order to challenge your cardiovascular and muscular system enough to create positive adaptations for the future.
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Excellent! Glad to find out it wasn't a waste, but now I have to keep it up.
Gregf83, thanks for the Hunter Allen link -- great articles their, particularly about Carl Grove, the 83 year old who is still getting faster.
Gregf83, thanks for the Hunter Allen link -- great articles their, particularly about Carl Grove, the 83 year old who is still getting faster.
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Training tends to be sport specific...
So if you're training using 8 hour slogs, you get good at that.
If you're training for a crit, you get good at that.
The only question here is what you want to do. If you want both,
schedule a long ride, a group ride, and some intervals into your week.
So if you're training using 8 hour slogs, you get good at that.
If you're training for a crit, you get good at that.
The only question here is what you want to do. If you want both,
schedule a long ride, a group ride, and some intervals into your week.
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how do you not bonk on an 8 hour ride? how did you get your calories, and how many? I like long rides, they're beneficial for endurance for sure, but i'm trying to figure out how to do 5-8 hours by myself with 2 water bottles and limited space.
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On a long ride much of your energy will come from fat stores. Eat or drink 250 Cals/hr of carbs and you should be fine on a long ride.
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I stop at stores on long rides to replenish fuel supplies.
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So, take the following with a grain of salt, because I personally don't really believe it myself.
I'm currently in a physiology of exercise class for a bachelors degree in exercise science and my professor recently stated that you're only gaining a training effect for the first 2 hours of exercise. Anything after that is a wasted amount of time. Again, this is what he said and I don't personally believe it myself. He pointed out that Intensity, and Frequency was what mattered, and that the duration, and Mode did not matter as much. Interesting to say the least!
I'm currently in a physiology of exercise class for a bachelors degree in exercise science and my professor recently stated that you're only gaining a training effect for the first 2 hours of exercise. Anything after that is a wasted amount of time. Again, this is what he said and I don't personally believe it myself. He pointed out that Intensity, and Frequency was what mattered, and that the duration, and Mode did not matter as much. Interesting to say the least!
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Not sure of the training value. but in terms of general fitness its pulled me from the verge of being a large blob to being on the verge of 'athletic' according to all the online sources. I usually ride 100 miles plus every weekend as well as 100-200 miles during the week. Riding 130 miles leaves my body close to exhuastion, but I find that every time I do this I recover faster and have the strength and endurance to finish that 130 miles faster and easier. I personally beileive that you need to train to the point of pain, ignore the pain, get your second wind and get as close to your bonk point as possible at least once a week to really gain anything. Also its fun to see where those limits lie. My longest ride was 137 miles with a 2 large hill climbs in the middle. It took 12 hours and I was in pain for days afterwards.... but it sure was fun.
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So, take the following with a grain of salt, because I personally don't really believe it myself.
I'm currently in a physiology of exercise class for a bachelors degree in exercise science and my professor recently stated that you're only gaining a training effect for the first 2 hours of exercise. Anything after that is a wasted amount of time. Again, this is what he said and I don't personally believe it myself. He pointed out that Intensity, and Frequency was what mattered, and that the duration, and Mode did not matter as much. Interesting to say the least!
I'm currently in a physiology of exercise class for a bachelors degree in exercise science and my professor recently stated that you're only gaining a training effect for the first 2 hours of exercise. Anything after that is a wasted amount of time. Again, this is what he said and I don't personally believe it myself. He pointed out that Intensity, and Frequency was what mattered, and that the duration, and Mode did not matter as much. Interesting to say the least!
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So, take the following with a grain of salt, because I personally don't really believe it myself.
I'm currently in a physiology of exercise class for a bachelors degree in exercise science and my professor recently stated that you're only gaining a training effect for the first 2 hours of exercise. Anything after that is a wasted amount of time. Again, this is what he said and I don't personally believe it myself. He pointed out that Intensity, and Frequency was what mattered, and that the duration, and Mode did not matter as much. Interesting to say the least!
I'm currently in a physiology of exercise class for a bachelors degree in exercise science and my professor recently stated that you're only gaining a training effect for the first 2 hours of exercise. Anything after that is a wasted amount of time. Again, this is what he said and I don't personally believe it myself. He pointed out that Intensity, and Frequency was what mattered, and that the duration, and Mode did not matter as much. Interesting to say the least!
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Many people do well on Ensure, buying another few bottles every time they come to a major grocery store. That's liquid, so it's more weight and volume. OTOH you don't have to spend as much time mixing it. OTOH you have to spend time buying it. I think it's better to put a couple bottles of Ensure in the food bottle and fill with water, rather than downing a whole bottle all at once.
You should consider Zefal liter water bottles.
https://www.amazon.com/Zefal-Water-Bo...dp/B0044Q9NOU/
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