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Old 02-05-05, 07:13 PM   #1
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Accelerade vs Cytomax vs ?

A fine Winter afternoon to you all....

I'm training for my first Century in May, having now done the Metric. Since I'm going to be waaaaaay over the 4 hour mark I did for 62 miles, I'm concerned about having enough fluids, etc. although I was fine on water previously.

Purchased a can of Accelerade today (gawd, that's stuff is expensive!), the only flavor being Lemon-Lime. Mixed up a bottle and took off for my easy-moderate 25 mile jaunt. First thing I noticed is that this isn't exactly tasty! Blechh.

Second thing I noticed was that I started getting stomach pains almost immediately upon taking small sips. I ended up dumping the bottle and refilling with water. Was fine after that and since this was only an easy 90 minute ride, no worries.

Now what?

From what I've read, I believe the drink should be a combo of carbs and a small amount of protein? Or does that not really matter?

So, I thought I'd now spend more money trying Cytomax or something else. Is Gatorade that bad for you cause it seems to get knocked pretty good around here!

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Old 02-05-05, 07:52 PM   #2
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I bought some Accelerade (fruit punch) when Performance had it on sale. Definitely an "acquired" taste for me, too. I found mixing it stronger helps. It also tended to leave a residue in the bottle. Definitely start figuring out now what you like/don't like - you don't want to find out on the century! And if it works for you, use it. I happen to like powder gatoraide mix at 1/2 the recommended strength. You might consider using energy bars, fig newtons, bananas, gels, etc. for carbs and protein and use the drinks for water and electrolyte replacement. Good luck in your training!
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Cytomax apple berry pretty much rocks the house. I mean, I wouldn't drink it at a party or anything, but it's a much better drink than most on the market. You'll find sports drinks are like pedals... everyone swears by what they use. I will only use cytomax, but the next guy may only use accelerade. I guess you should just try both and see what you like. Cytomax, however, is fairly cost prohibitive.
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Accelerade blue-berry should be used to torture terrorists. Seriously, nastiest crap on the planet. I've had medicine that tasted like wine off a hookers breast compared to that garbage.

Anywho... I always have one bottle for water and the other for replenishing my electrolytes with some carbs. So, I drink Cytomax. I think that's got the most electrolytes? If I want protein, I'll eat something. Yes, I would like a good liquid mixture of everything, but I think Accelerade has significantly less 'lytes than Cyto.

Gookin-aid's good, but I've never seen it in anything but small pouches. Way too expensive that way.

I'd drink Accelerade if I had to. The only thing I hate more is Gatorade.
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I have a Mtn biker buddy who describes Accel as butt-goo-somethin'-or-rather. On that assessment, I gave my fee can away. Gatorade is definitely not as potent as either Accel or Cyto. I use Cyto. Cyto is not the yummiest thing either. I've posted my formulation before ... but here it is:

[a] 8 scoops (1 gallon's worth of powder) Cyto Grape
[b] 1 packet Kool Aid unsweetened, Berry Blue (on sale, ~25 cents/packet)
[c] 3 T table sugar
[d] 1 t salt
[e] 1/2 t salt substitute

I will add 2-4 T of maltodextrin powder per 24 oz bottle. I mix it strong as the dentist said I should rinse after I drink. So I take a swig and then reach for the plain water bottle. I also bring 1 24-oz bottle's worth of powder with me for long rides.

That said, I will sometimes get some Gatorade (if I can find a flavor I like) to end a ride. Sometimes, just need something different cause I'm tired of drinking "grape-something". Doesn't matter how "good" it is, if you don't drink it, doesn't do any good.
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I can't chime in on the Drink, bt accelerade gel is bad. I can barely stomach the Vanilla. I honestly thought I had a bad batch of gel when I opened the first packet. A buddy of mine agrees, it's bad.
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I have used Accelerade, Cytomax, and Gatorade. Gatorade is for short rides nothing over 2 hours with that stuff plus I mix it on the thin side. Accelerade is decent tasting I like the fruit punch flavor. I personally use 1 full scoop in a large bottle and then add 1/4 tsp salt substitute to it. Just started using Cytomax and it seems decent. personally I use whatever is on sale.
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If you have stomach problems with the Accelerade, I would suggest you trying Hammer Nutrition's HEED electrolyte drink (no protein) or their "endurance-type" drink Perpetuem (has protein). They are both easy on the stomach and have a good taste. I prefer them both over any of the Accelerade products and also prefer them over Cytomax, although I do like the Cytomax fruit punch.

On longer rides I have one bottle of water and the second one filled with HEED or Perpetuem. For a century ride, you can definitely get some protein and additional carbs at the rest stops (fig newtons, peanuts, pb & jelly sandwiches, etc.), so you would be fine with an electrolyte drink if you don't like the taste of drinks with protein in them.

Definitely make sure you get your nutrition plan worked out while you are training for the century -- the actual ride will be much more enjoyable.

Good luck and let us know what type(s) of drink you decide on.
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nesdog: You're smart to try things out during training rides and not on the day or the century. Some questions and comments:

- Have you picked out the century you want to do yet? If so do you know if they will have sports drinks at the sag stops? Assuming they do, what type and flavor? It's a good idea to find this out in advance so you can at least try that same drink to see how well you do with it.

- You might try mixing your drink a little weak and see how you do with it.

- Try different things such as plain water and GU packets (I like the Vanilla Bean flavor) or plain water and powerbars, etc. That way you're not always eating and drinking the same stuff all of the time.
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"Have you picked out the century you want to do yet? If so do you know if they will have sports drinks at the sag stops? Assuming they do, what type and flavor? It's a good idea to find this out in advance so you can at least try that same drink to see how well you do with it. "


I will be doing a local ride called Cruising the Conejo in May. Last year I did the half metric. All of the offered courses are in areas that I've ridden or close by so that gives me the chance to try different sections as I prepare. The Full Century is about 6000' of climbing, mostly in the first 50 miles.

I've e-mailed the organizers asking the same questions you have above. I don't recall what drinks they had but there were plenty of munchies! When I did my full metric last summer, I was fine on all water and grabbing bagels, PB & J and oranges, although when I finished riding, I went straight to the luncheon and destroyed two plates of pasta and half a dozen rolls!

I appreciate all of the comments, keep 'em coming! This is a great help!


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"I would suggest you trying Hammer Nutrition's HEED electrolyte drink (no protein) or their "endurance-type" drink Perpetuem (has protein). They are both easy on the stomach and have a good taste. I prefer them both over any of the "


Hmm, the HEED product looks interesting plus I can get a small amount to try out without having to purchase a big can. I'm going to head over the bike shop this weekend to pick some up.

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I actually like Gatorade, and I can get it for cheap in big cans of powder at the local Wal-Mart. Honestly I've never tried Accelerade or Cytomax because it's more expensive and I'm perfectly happy with Gatorade.

If you're doing long rides you're going to need some electrolytes and some sugar. All of these drinks have them, and I think it's just a matter of taste and cost.

If something hurts your stomach you might dilute it a little and see how that works for you.
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"On longer rides I have one bottle of water and the second one filled with HEED or Perpetuem. For a century ride, you can definitely get some protein and additional carbs at the rest stops (fig newtons, peanuts, pb & jelly sandwiches, etc.), so you would be fine with an electrolyte"


Since there are plenty of rest stops and I'll have some bars with me, can I get away with using the HEED over the Perpetuem? The reason I ask is that HEED is way less expensive.


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"On longer rides I have one bottle of water and the second one filled with HEED or Perpetuem. For a century ride, you can definitely get some protein and additional carbs at the rest stops (fig newtons, peanuts, pb & jelly sandwiches, etc.), so you would be fine with an electrolyte"


Since there are plenty of rest stops and I'll have some bars with me, can I get away with using the HEED over the Perpetuem? The reason I ask is that HEED is way less expensive.


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Sure, you could use just HEED, but make sure you get a little protein at the rest stops or with the bars you carry (especially later in the ride and definitely more after the ride).
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I wrote to the Hammer folks. They were very quick to respond to all my questions. They also suggested that HEED could be used but with that kind of time on the bike, the Perpetuem is the better solution.
I'm going to track down some of this stuff this weekend and will post my experience.

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