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Old 07-20-13, 12:45 PM   #1
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Muscle Pain, what to do??

After reading these two articles and finding nothing else about it, I decided that my muscle pain is from not enough water and electrolytes. I also have chemically lowered blood pressure and a bit of neuropathy.

Stretching my legs to relieve pain does not work very well. I really need to figure what to do. Any ideas

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ctic-acid-buil

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Also lack of deep sleep could be a problem, but what else could it be?
And does anyone know how micro trauma happens??

It is very unclear what role lactic acid plays in micro trauma. It seems to be just a byproduct of anaerobic exercise, brought on by lack of blood pressure from not enough water.

This is the only thing I found for electrolytes, anything better?? I do not want sodium, which just raises my blood pressure; the doctors said do not use it, because of my heart disease.
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Old 07-23-13, 12:49 PM   #2
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My doctor said I have some tendonitis that can only be helped by stretching. But really I think I pedal too hard.

How does stretching help???? What does it do??
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Some pain is normal and some isn't. Could you describe more about your pain? Is it during a ride or after? How long after? Does it go away over time?

I'm sure you've heard the saying "no pain, no gain". That's referring to the pain that comes during very strenuous exertion. There's also delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS) which is a consequence of pushing your muscles well beyond what they are accustomed to and comes on a day or so after the activity and typically lasts another day or so. Both of these could be considered normal consequences of strenuous exercise.
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What BP medicine are you taking?

I don't understand the problem, could you describe it in detail.
What happens, when, that sort of thing.

You need to narrow this down, is it a side effect from medicine, an electrolyte problem,
the result of neuropathy, or just pushing too hard too soon.

Microtrauma is just part of life. You work out, get a little ripped up,
and then you heal up. It's not a big deal unless you go too hard, or there
is some other problem.
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Without knowing any more about your symptoms, all I can say is that muscle pain is a result of hard physical activity, whether it's cycling or digging ditches. I've never experienced it as a result of dehydration or lack of electrolytes. I would say that it's definitely not that. My rule is that muscle pain while off the bike is normal. However, muscle pain on the bike after getting warmed up is not normal and is a result of insufficient protein in the diet.
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potassium & magnesium supplemts. (magnesium is a natural muscle relaxant) then after the ride a 30 min hot soak in a bath with herbal soap and a lot of magnesium rich epsom salt. massage the legs in the tub. you will love it. walmart has the best price for epsom salt, but xmas tree shops have a great price too. grocery stores and drug stores carry it as well. look in the same shops for this bath soap it's very nice

Dr. Teal's, Therapeutic Solutions Foaming Bath, with Eucalyptus Spearmint

http://www.overstockdrugstore.com/pr...-34-fl-oz.html

http://www.drugstore.com/dr-teals-th...mint/qxp401996
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I do believe that could be a lack of protein....I must find an un sweetened protein drink and if I could get protein powder that is affordable, ( dream on) ... and some of the pain may be sciatica.... but it feels like muscle pain, yet when I turn on my side in bed, with my legs slightly folded it stops.

I keep thinking it may be that my tendons are not as flexible as they should be (more stretching). When riding I have to stretch my heel down sometimes; and massaging my thigh muscle with my thumb helps also, tendonitis? But most of the pain is in my calves.

Well there are so many possibilities that it is imposable to say exactly what it is , so I am trying everything.

And what’s more crazy I want to get a liquid trainer, and build more endurance, or at least more aerobic exercise, to keep my heart strong......

beta-blockers Carvedelol and Losarten to lower my blood pressure. The first week I was out of the hospital I had the worst muscle spasms of my life, lasted half an hour, both legs. The doctors didn't warm me about this nor did they say anything about it, I just found out on my own reading time that lowered blood pressure can cause spasms.

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You have to be careful with beta blockers, potassium could become a problem.

Also could be your current BP meds aren't right for you. Beta blockers caused me problems.

Stretch after exercise, not before.

Try magnesium glycinate, one with every meal.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/now-f...der-2-lbs-pwdr
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And there's always a chance it could be rhabdo, see this thread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...5#post15899625
Dark urine?

Optimum gold whey from bodybuilding.com is what I use. Sort of expensive, but maybe not compared to meat, protein gram for gram.
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What about a Calcium/Magnesium/Potassium supplement? In capsule form, as opposed to drink mix (which give you sugar or artificial sweeteners).

The best things to reduce muscle pain is to eat a low-inflammatory diet, or at least take supplements that will decrease inflammation. Soaking your legs in a cold bath tub can be helpful in decreasing inflammation (thus decreasing pain).
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Are you on a statin (high cholesterol med)? If so, this may be the problem.
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I do believe that could be a lack of protein....I must find an un sweetened protein drink and if I could get protein powder that is affordable, ( dream on) ... and some of the pain may be sciatica.... but it feels like muscle pain, yet when I turn on my side in bed, with my legs slightly folded it stops.

I keep thinking it may be that my tendons are not as flexible as they should be (more stretching). When riding I have to stretch my heel down sometimes; and massaging my thigh muscle with my thumb helps also, tendonitis? But most of the pain is in my calves.

Well there are so many possibilities that it is imposable to say exactly what it is , so I am trying everything.

And what’s more crazy I want to get a liquid trainer, and build more endurance, or at least more aerobic exercise, to keep my heart strong......

beta-blockers Carvedelol and Losarten to lower my blood pressure. The first week I was out of the hospital I had the worst muscle spasms of my life, lasted half an hour, both legs. The doctors didn't warm me about this nor did they say anything about it, I just found out on my own reading time that lowered blood pressure can cause spasms.
Normal microtrauma from exercise feels more like extreme soreness at worst. What you describe sounds more like neuropathy, lack of electrolytes or spinal issues.

Natural sources of electrolytes without added sodium include leafy greens, most all vegetables, low sodium vegetable juice, milk, and fruit. Avoid all refined sugar, soda, coffee and anything with caffeine.

Lack of protein might extend the period of soreness after exercise (but not pain). For protein it's only important to get the required amount every 3-4 hours over the course of the day. There are plenty of low fat, zero sugar sources including sardines, tuna, salmon, egg whites, soy protein, whey, plain yogurt to name a few.
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Are you on a statin (high cholesterol med)? If so, this may be the problem.
Not any more,only for the first two years. My high cholesterol was from too much cheese.
Looks like what I need now is a good source of protein. But I hate the price tags they put on the protein powders.
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Not any more,only for the first two years. My high cholesterol was from too much cheese.
Looks like what I need now is a good source of protein. But I hate the price tags they put on the protein powders.
The prices are ridiculous on the powders. There's always skim milk or the super-sized plain greek yogurts.
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Prostat sugar free liquid... we sell it to nursing homes and i take 2 ounces of it every morning 1 oz has 15 grams of protein and all the amino acids, arginene and other components for tissue building... and it's sugar free and tastes good....I also take a arginine supplement as it helps circulation and i am diabetic...Usually my sugar would drop and i would get the shakes...now since i started the Prostat , the shakes are gone...Another good product is Arginaid by Nestle nutrition and Juven by Abbott Labs (makers of Ensure)....By far the Prostat is the best i have tried...you can buy it on Amazon... or you can go to the website and see who sells it...

http://www.pro-stat.com/how_to_buy.asp

By the way, i put it on my oatmeal and tastes good....or mix it with a little water but i also drink it straight...
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The prices are ridiculous on the powders. There's always skim milk or the super-sized plain greek yogurts.
Well, let's see. A pound of flank steak contains 92g protein and costs $5,or $.054/g. $12 worth of whey protein contains 454g protein and thus costs $.027/g. Nonfat dry milk costs $4.86/lb., which contains 157g protein, thus $.031/g, almost as cheap as Optimum Gold whey, but not quite. The nonfat dry milk is much more carbs than protein, so you're getting calories you may not want with your protein. The steak has a lot of fat, same problem.

Three major advantages to whey protein other than cost are:
It's flavored. Easy to get down and to make other drinks from.
Contains no lactose, so good for those who might have some level of lactose intolerance.
Contains no fat, no cholesterol either.
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This is what I like..
http://proteinfactory.com/shop/heliogen/
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