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There are supplements that can help with low testosterone, some natural, and some not-so-natural + illegal for competition. One of the problems with replacement therapy is that your body quits making it's own. I'm not trying to make a case against TRT, but if it were me I'd certainly exhaust all other avenues before becoming dependent on the synthetic variety.
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I was never able to find any supplements that actually had an effect on T levels.
From the research I have done, the body will start producing T if you stop replacement therapy, at the same anemic levels (perhaps slightly lower as you have aged a bit more by then).
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I read that cheating on your wife with a younger woman will also increase your T level. seriously.
this is not to be confused with leaving your wife for a younger woman. in that case they say you will bore of the new woman and T levels will drop again.
ideally, you would keep a new woman in the mix at all times.
this is not to be confused with leaving your wife for a younger woman. in that case they say you will bore of the new woman and T levels will drop again.
ideally, you would keep a new woman in the mix at all times.
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I read that cheating on your wife with a younger woman will also increase your T level. seriously.
this is not to be confused with leaving your wife for a younger woman. in that case they say you will bore of the new woman and T levels will drop again.
ideally, you would keep a new woman in the mix at all times.
this is not to be confused with leaving your wife for a younger woman. in that case they say you will bore of the new woman and T levels will drop again.
ideally, you would keep a new woman in the mix at all times.
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There is also the issue that no one really knows what the long term effects of synthetic replacement are...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/1...oblems-deaths/
https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/1...oblems-deaths/
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So...anybody out there dealing with this issue a few years after a radical prostatectomy ?
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in that case just a woman would do. part of what I read in fact the gist of the article was how men confuse the boost in testosterone with love. you only need to hook up or maybe just have a flirtatious relationship with a woman who poses a promise of a relationship to enjoy the benefits of higher T levels, but be careful not to confuse it with love
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There is also the issue that no one really knows what the long term effects of synthetic replacement are...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/1...oblems-deaths/
https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/1...oblems-deaths/
very true. but you have to consider if you'd rather take that chance or live with the effects of low testosterone which, some may argue, are worse. It's a personal choice that will vary from person to person. There are pros/cons for each.
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I think anyone that has low levels or is over 43 and not juicing is nuts.
3 things to remember:
1. DOCTORS do not know it all
2. YOU are more interested in your own well being that he is.
3. YOU are able, with a bit of reading know more about hormone replacement and aging that almost all GPs and even some specialists because you have you at stake.
WHY put yourself thru depression, fatness, and no sex drive?
BUT I think most doctors are idiots when it comes to testing, measuring and dosages- its not a one size fits all thing.
Things like this really matter:
-type of steroid, yes they are very, very different from- I want to rip your ear off (halotestin) to getting cut very safely winstrol.
-genetic predisposition- get tested do the 23 and me test- match it up with athletics- see if you are going to drop dead a 50 if so- screw fitness- go have some fun. Side benefit is getting new relatives- find out how/what runs in their family - ask them if any are super fit - what did they do.
-whether or not you have a tendency for gyno (which is a real pain to get rid of- surgery but only and 30 cents a day to prevent- arimdex which you should be on anyways)
-baldness- if you are bald or don't care about hair then go for straight testosterone-(DHT inhibitors will not help and will actually hurt you in the long run)
-GH- growth hormone - how much are you putting out now? this is the main thing that should be supplemented first
-Thyroid (t3 and t4 test for as well as free T3)- most depressed people have low thyroid- dirt cheap to test and pennies a day to fix- plus it burns fat and is safe.
-Insulin- if your sensitivity is off then its like towing a motorhome with a Camry- figure out how to fix this yourself.
-Cholesterol- if this is already high- then its going to go higher regardless of diet, etc. you may have to concede on going on a statin because testosterone doesn't help.
-Intelligence- if you work you are competing against younger more healthy competitors- Testosterone actually increases intelligence.
-Confidence- this, for me is priceless- think about massive confidence- you look better, feel better and f**k better than other men your age.
-Sex drive- this combined with cialis- incredible, no more half mast for you, its going full salute.
Ideally, the safe way is to take a year to try and fix naturally- but remember that a shot a week is the quick fix and you ain't gettin' younger.
The 'merican way is to shotgun and do everything all at once. I like the 'merican way- just get the tests first and keep the diet really clean drink lots of h2o.
3 things to remember:
1. DOCTORS do not know it all
2. YOU are more interested in your own well being that he is.
3. YOU are able, with a bit of reading know more about hormone replacement and aging that almost all GPs and even some specialists because you have you at stake.
WHY put yourself thru depression, fatness, and no sex drive?
BUT I think most doctors are idiots when it comes to testing, measuring and dosages- its not a one size fits all thing.
Things like this really matter:
-type of steroid, yes they are very, very different from- I want to rip your ear off (halotestin) to getting cut very safely winstrol.
-genetic predisposition- get tested do the 23 and me test- match it up with athletics- see if you are going to drop dead a 50 if so- screw fitness- go have some fun. Side benefit is getting new relatives- find out how/what runs in their family - ask them if any are super fit - what did they do.
-whether or not you have a tendency for gyno (which is a real pain to get rid of- surgery but only and 30 cents a day to prevent- arimdex which you should be on anyways)
-baldness- if you are bald or don't care about hair then go for straight testosterone-(DHT inhibitors will not help and will actually hurt you in the long run)
-GH- growth hormone - how much are you putting out now? this is the main thing that should be supplemented first
-Thyroid (t3 and t4 test for as well as free T3)- most depressed people have low thyroid- dirt cheap to test and pennies a day to fix- plus it burns fat and is safe.
-Insulin- if your sensitivity is off then its like towing a motorhome with a Camry- figure out how to fix this yourself.
-Cholesterol- if this is already high- then its going to go higher regardless of diet, etc. you may have to concede on going on a statin because testosterone doesn't help.
-Intelligence- if you work you are competing against younger more healthy competitors- Testosterone actually increases intelligence.
-Confidence- this, for me is priceless- think about massive confidence- you look better, feel better and f**k better than other men your age.
-Sex drive- this combined with cialis- incredible, no more half mast for you, its going full salute.
Ideally, the safe way is to take a year to try and fix naturally- but remember that a shot a week is the quick fix and you ain't gettin' younger.
The 'merican way is to shotgun and do everything all at once. I like the 'merican way- just get the tests first and keep the diet really clean drink lots of h2o.
Last edited by reg; 11-16-13 at 04:44 PM.
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There is also the issue that no one really knows what the long term effects of synthetic replacement are...
https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/1...oblems-deaths/
https://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/1...oblems-deaths/
When making the decision to pursue TRT I did some serious soul searching. As so eloquently stated by Neil Young (and quoted by "The Kurgan")......."It's better to burn out than to fade away.........". I'd rather have 5, 10 or 15 good years than 20, 15 or even ONE year of the way I felt when my T bottomed out. In fact, I don't think I would make it a year. It's THAT bad.
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There is a downside to testosterone boosting. I ended up with way too many red blood cells. The doc had me donate a pint to thin it out to a safe level and stop the T booster. The danger is blood clots or becoming dehydrated and thickening the blood. Scary
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no the neglect to drink water is on you. all steroids produce extra blood- sometimes up to 1L if you read basic info you would have known this and have prevented it.
THE doctors know nothing- less than your average personal trainer about this stuff- its actually doctors making patents think that they know everything and people like yourself believing this.
THAT, is scary. Doctors are the worst people you can you can find to do HRT, as they are idiots with a perscription pad and a white coat. It is not a take 2x daily with meals type drug, it requires much learning or consulting with an actual expert in hormone replacement or even better hormone enhancement./ Find an expert, pay him well, and get great advice- like taking your somewhat sporty car to a performance
shop and getting it done up right. or like wanting to compete with a wally world bike. thats the level of knowledge doctors have about this- wally world.
THE doctors know nothing- less than your average personal trainer about this stuff- its actually doctors making patents think that they know everything and people like yourself believing this.
THAT, is scary. Doctors are the worst people you can you can find to do HRT, as they are idiots with a perscription pad and a white coat. It is not a take 2x daily with meals type drug, it requires much learning or consulting with an actual expert in hormone replacement or even better hormone enhancement./ Find an expert, pay him well, and get great advice- like taking your somewhat sporty car to a performance
shop and getting it done up right. or like wanting to compete with a wally world bike. thats the level of knowledge doctors have about this- wally world.
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I recently had my testosterone checked. I'm 43 and it came back at 399 total, 9.3 free. Doctor says it's normal. Everything I've read said average for my age is over 600. I only ride 2 or 3 times a week; and if I ride 3 times a week I never feel like I've recovered. Even my upper body workouts have become impossible.
anyone around my age get tested and what were the results/outcomes? did you use prescription or over the counter supplements? what kind of results?
anyone around my age get tested and what were the results/outcomes? did you use prescription or over the counter supplements? what kind of results?
I was low for years, but didn't know what was wrong. My wife even noticed, but didn't say anything thinking something was wrong with her rather than me. Eventually my family doctor figured it out and referred me to an endocrinologist. He treated me, at first with Androgel. Within a week to 10 days, I felt like a teenager again. It has been a journey and there is a different specialist now.
Try another doctor if one is available to you. If you can get a specialist, like an endocrinologist or urologist, things may go better for you. With good treatment, you will notice a big difference in your life.
Edit to add that I know of nobody who has used OTC supplements and seen big differences in T-levels.
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at 62 years, I have now tested below 300 (latest = 266 total 7.9 free) for 3rd time, over the span of 16 months. From the little that I had read, I chose injections over creams and was prescribed 200 mg every 2 weeks.
Is there an advantage of weekly injections over every 2 weeks?
Is there an advantage of weekly injections over every 2 weeks?
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at 62 years, I have now tested below 300 (latest = 266 total 7.9 free) for 3rd time, over the span of 16 months. From the little that I had read, I chose injections over creams and was prescribed 200 mg every 2 weeks.
Is there an advantage of weekly injections over every 2 weeks?
Is there an advantage of weekly injections over every 2 weeks?
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Twice weekly is working MUCH better for me.
With weekly, the sags were unpleasant.
Fat is falling off.
Topical?
Some are non absorbers, like me.
Compounded was not covered by insurance was about $15 for cream at 10%...
If you ask me Androgel is near criminal negligence. $400/month for the worst dosages delivered in nearly the worst possible way (for everyone, not just non absorbers). But marketing trumps all.
With weekly, the sags were unpleasant.
Fat is falling off.
Topical?
Some are non absorbers, like me.
Compounded was not covered by insurance was about $15 for cream at 10%...
If you ask me Androgel is near criminal negligence. $400/month for the worst dosages delivered in nearly the worst possible way (for everyone, not just non absorbers). But marketing trumps all.
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Twice weekly is working MUCH better for me.
With weekly, the sags were unpleasant.
Fat is falling off.
Topical?
Some are non absorbers, like me.
Compounded was not covered by insurance was about $15 for cream at 10%...
If you ask me Androgel is near criminal negligence. $400/month for the worst dosages delivered in nearly the worst possible way (for everyone, not just non absorbers). But marketing trumps all.
With weekly, the sags were unpleasant.
Fat is falling off.
Topical?
Some are non absorbers, like me.
Compounded was not covered by insurance was about $15 for cream at 10%...
If you ask me Androgel is near criminal negligence. $400/month for the worst dosages delivered in nearly the worst possible way (for everyone, not just non absorbers). But marketing trumps all.
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From what I've read, 100-200 mg/week is normal for TRT. I've tested low-ish a couple times and looked into it. I still want to race a bit and don't want to go the pin-cushion route (which seems like the best option, by far), so I've tried to do things that will help my T levels while still being WADA legal.
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I take vitamin D, try to get good sleep, eat in a manner that would encourage T production, reduced riding a bit and do some weight lifting. There are probably all sorts of other things to try, but these seem to be biggies. You're not going to get the levels that you would if you went on a good TRT, but I think it will get you a bit of a boost.
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Recent study indicated that Low T treatment "might" increase MI risk.
No doubt DOSE is important-small dose maybe no big deal or even "good"
Bigger doses-increased risk-probably
Bet those PED-ed Seattle defensive back-big tall and fast-are jucing right to the edge-Unfortunately my Saints apparently are playing it straight-not juicing or not jucing "well enough"
Guessing Seattle will beat us like a drum again.
No doubt DOSE is important-small dose maybe no big deal or even "good"
Bigger doses-increased risk-probably
Bet those PED-ed Seattle defensive back-big tall and fast-are jucing right to the edge-Unfortunately my Saints apparently are playing it straight-not juicing or not jucing "well enough"
Guessing Seattle will beat us like a drum again.
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Dang out of those 9 points -- I am hitting on 7 of them , everything except the ED and muscle loss. I almost hate to get tested for fear I am going to be put on some kind of expensive "therapy" I can hardly afford