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Old 11-14-13, 04:19 AM   #26
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Unless you have a family history of heart disease you are probably going to live to 150...

What is so wrong with your diet save for that addiction to diet soda ?
I have heart disease ... valve issues.

And as for my diet ... nothing wrong with drinking diet soda (at least it isn't fruit juice) ... but the daily bowls of ice cream topped with chocolate sauce will have to go.

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I have heart disease ... valve issues.

And as for my diet ... nothing wrong with drinking diet soda (at least it isn't fruit juice) ... but the daily bowls of ice cream topped with chocolate sauce will have to go.
That really sucks... If an ice cream free life helps resolve the issues then that is a lot better than taking drugs that are of questionable benefit.
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That really sucks... If an ice cream free life helps resolve the issues then that is a lot better than taking drugs that are of questionable benefit.
I've had heart valve issues since I was 4, but now with the high triglycerides and a collection of new, annoying symptoms, it's a bit of a concern.

So ... we'll try this no ice cream thing for a while. And I would rather do that than take the drugs.
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Read this before you take the statin coolaid.
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I have heart disease ... valve issues.

And as for my diet ... nothing wrong with drinking diet soda (at least it isn't fruit juice) ... but the daily bowls of ice cream topped with chocolate sauce will have to go.
I'm curious Machka, what type of valve issues do you have? As far as high triglycerides go, that's going to be very closely tied to carbohydrate intake. I suppose the ice cream isn't helping things, but my guess is that there are other factors at play. What's your grain and fruit intake look like?
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Nothing has made big pharma as much money as the sale of statins and during this time the number of heart attacks has not decreased and diabetes rates continue to climb.

How much longer will people try and insist that the excessive carbs in most people's diets isn't the problem.
My guess is, quite a bit longer.
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Quick math. The OP said 1/3 of the US population which is roughly 300 million people.
What I read was 15 million fit old guidelines-
33 million would fit new guidelines-
33 million sounds about right-significant % of folks over a certain age.
33,000,000 on a drug- FOREVER-is a HUGE number.
But 2/3 of folks eventually die from heart disease,so...
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take statins and you'll be allowed to keep your health plan
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I've had heart valve issues since I was 4, but now with the high triglycerides and a collection of new, annoying symptoms, it's a bit of a concern.

So ... we'll try this no ice cream thing for a while. And I would rather do that than take the drugs.
Screw the no ice cream.As desserts go it is MUCH better than most
some calcium(tiny but some)- some protein,high quality protein- -(fruit i like but fruit isn't dessert-and fruit is all sugar)

The butterfat-is of no concern. The sugar- sucrose and lactose-no worse than bread-which is almost all glucose(starch is hydrolyzed-starting in your mouth-to glucose).Small amount of high biological value protein is all good.
Reasonable serving of ice cream-say 200-250 calories worth in a 2500 calorie diet-isn't going to make much difference-especially if you eat a good diet otherwise.
Eat your small serving of ice cream-exercise of course
Blue Belle Home Made Vanilla-is soooo goooooood!

"consider" once a week lipitor-
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PS DELETED the quit smoking reference-mis-read Machka's post-the lifestyle stuff-I thought she meant she had done those 3 already-"got them covered"-should have read it more carefully-scanned.Sorry
But eat that ice cream!

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Screw the no ice cream.As desserts go it is MUCH better than most
some calcium(tiny but some)- some protein,high quality protein- -(fruit i like but fruit isn't dessert-and fruit is all sugar)

The butterfat-is of no concern. The sugar- sucrose and lactose-no worse than bread-which is almost all glucose(starch is hydrolyzed-starting in your mouth-to glucose).Small amount of high biological value protein is all good.
Reasonable serving of ice cream-say 200-250 calories worth in a 2500 calorie diet-isn't going to make much difference-especially if you eat a good diet otherwise.
Eat your small serving of ice cream-exercise of course
Blue Belle Home Made Vanilla-is soooo goooooood!

Bowl of ice cream pales in comparison to smoking( very hard to quit smoking-gum patches nose spray electronic cigs all much better than actual smoking)-
to hell with quitting ice cream-attack the smoking-exercise more-
"consider" once a week lipitor-
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I'm thinking Machka gets plenty of exercise. Smoking? I wasn't aware of that. I completely agree that the ice cream on it's own is probably not the issue. Look for grains, it's always the damned grains.

If you want ice cream, put a couple limit on it.

1. Make it yourself with heavy whipping cream and cane sugar
2. Never make more than one serving at a time.

Try this for a base recipe. You can either put it in a machine or use the shaker method (preferred).
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CNN says "these new guidelines will effectively double the number of Americans eligible for statin therapy, bringing the total to about 72 million."
Oh boy! I can't wait until I'm "eligible", too!
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What are the new guidelines? I know from my annual blood work that if you don't have diabetes the recommendations are:

Total Cholesterol <200
LDL <130
HDL >40
Triglycerides <150
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FAT BOY- The High Carb -meaning LOW FAT diet- is DEAD-finally.

Whole grains are OK food-but they are carbohydrates(tiny amounts of protein tiny amounts of fat) meaning they become in short order-glucose.
Eat them with fat and protein to slow down the glucose spike.Eat them with some fiber-slow absorption a bit more.
But whole grain bread-by itself-is digested very quickly-spikes your glucose.
Heck potatoes are "natural" unprocessed etc-but they spike your glucose -especially if you eat them "by themselves"
Potatoes are good food-some protein some vitamins some fiber-good food-but dose/portion is important-and don't eat them by themselves if your glucose is a concern.
Rice same story-but less protein-
Oats-better than average grain-some protein-fiber etc
pasta-all glucose-tiny amounts of protein-but basically funny shaped white bread

yeah the low fat high carb diet-fiasco-on the order of Trans Fat Fiasco-maybe worse-since no "experts" were pushing Trans Fats as good for you(except they denigrated butter and encouraged corn oil hydrogenated margarine etc-so experts screwed up there too).
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I'm curious Machka, what type of valve issues do you have?
Three of them don't close properly.
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FAT BOY- The High Carb -meaning LOW FAT diet- is DEAD-finally.

Whole grains are OK food-but they are carbohydrates(tiny amounts of protein tiny amounts of fat) meaning they become in short order-glucose.
Eat them with fat and protein to slow down the glucose spike.Eat them with some fiber-slow absorption a bit more.
But whole grain bread-by itself-is digested very quickly-spikes your glucose.
Heck potatoes are "natural" unprocessed etc-but they spike your glucose -especially if you eat them "by themselves"
Potatoes are good food-some protein some vitamins some fiber-good food-but dose/portion is important-and don't eat them by themselves if your glucose is a concern.
Rice same story-but less protein-
Oats-better than average grain-some protein-fiber etc
pasta-all glucose-tiny amounts of protein-but basically funny shaped white bread

yeah the low fat high carb diet-fiasco-on the order of Trans Fat Fiasco-maybe worse-since no "experts" were pushing Trans Fats as good for you(except they denigrated butter and encouraged corn oil hydrogenated margarine etc-so experts screwed up there too).
Tell that to our friends on the other side of the Pacific. They're doing quite well on rice and wheat, thank you. You don't even have to look that far - look just beyond the southern border of the USA. A very large number of people owe their lives to carbohydrate agricultural productivity. You are welcome to argue that you'd rather they were all dead, but they don't seem to appreciate that argument adequately.

Personally, I'm also doing quite well on a meatless, largely carbohydrate diet, and have been doing quite well for over 40 years. Today, breakfast was oatmeal, lunch was a piece of Budin Azteca: corn tortillas, beans, chilis, sauce, and cheese, and dinner will be carrot soup with a whole wheat roll. Everything home made of course, including the tortillas.

The simple thing is really very simple: don't eat too much.

Because I'm always training, I also get about 60g of whey protein during the day. Before my hour of bike and hour of weights this evening with no resting between sets, I'll also have a 1/2 c. of gorp, and during I'll go through about 300 calories of HEED, which is mostly maltodextrin: GI of 130. I'll move well over 50,000 lbs. in the weight room. I'll be about to pass out by the end because even with a 130 GI, my stomach won't be able to keep up with my energy expenditure, glycogen being long gone since I'm also working on losing weight. This forum is all about Training and Nutrition, both.
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When humans developed sophisticated agriculture-which allowed cities and empires-they became shorter-smaller-less healthy.

I Notice-you said despite having a belly stuffed with grain "I'll be about to pass out-my stomach can't keep up with energy expenditure"-
Some folks might take that as a hint that there diet wasn't quite "right"

In respect to our friends on the far side of the Pacific-
You have noticed- Vietnamese immigrants-their kids here in the USA- much much taller bigger than their grandparents-wonder why?? Animal protein and fat(and vitamins minerals that come with it)-less grain-
Same story in Japan-current young adults are GIANTS next to their grandparents-Animal protein-fat-less rice.
Our Pacific Friends-perfect example-thanks!
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Tell that to our friends on the other side of the Pacific. They're doing quite well on rice and wheat, thank you. You don't even have to look that far - look just beyond the southern border of the USA. A very large number of people owe their lives to carbohydrate agricultural productivity. You are welcome to argue that you'd rather they were all dead, but they don't seem to appreciate that argument adequately.
I'm really not sure what you're getting at with most of your comments as they seem more P&R related, but I can't think that you want to hold Mexico up as a beacon of health. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57592714/
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Three of them don't close properly.
I fought aortic valve insufficiency since birth. 2 valves replaced and in a much better place.
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FAT BOY- The High Carb -meaning LOW FAT diet- is DEAD-finally.
While I may agree from a personal view, I cannot from a wider view. High carb intake will be championed by our government for quite a bit of time to come.
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i am glad it has worked out for you. Unfortunately, relying strictly on the "health professional" often does not work out. I know of all too many cases where information from the internet or a friend saved somebody's ass when a doctor was in too much of a hurry, had too much bias, had a monetary interest in a treatment, or for whatever reason made a really bad call. By all means one should consult a health professional from time to time. One should also take responsibility for one's own health by questioning just about everything the health professional tells you.
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When humans developed sophisticated agriculture-which allowed cities and empires-they became shorter-smaller-less healthy.
Link to peer reviewed research?
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i am glad it has worked out for you. Unfortunately, relying strictly on the "health professional" often does not work out. I know of all too many cases where information from the internet or a friend saved somebody's ass when a doctor was in too much of a hurry, had too much bias, had a monetary interest in a treatment, or for whatever reason made a really bad call. By all means one should consult a health professional from time to time. One should also take responsibility for one's own health by questioning just about everything the health professional tells you.
I do not wish to start a side argument here. I have come to trust and rely upon the advice of my health care providers. I have known my asthma doctor for nearly 20 years, I trust his advice and I don't ever feel the need to second guess him. He is also an avid bike and motorcycle rider. In spite of his generous income he does his own wrenching.

My diabetes doctor is a renown expert on the subject of diabetes. She has written books on the subject. She has treated Olympic athletes as well as bike racers who are diabetic. She is also a bike rider. I trust her advice and, as with my asthma doc, I don't feel the need to second guess her.

I learned a long time ago that one of the keys to a happy, healthy life is to surround yourself with people whose counsel you trust and follow, whether it is financial, spiritual or medical advice. I am the CEO of my own life and these individuals are my trusted advisors.
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