Is Organic food good for our body ?
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Organic milk is better for you:
PLOS ONE: Organic Production Enhances Milk Nutritional Quality by Shifting Fatty Acid Composition: A United States?Wide, 18-Month Study
Those who drink a lot of milk, especially high fat dieters, might have a look at this. I would assume that the same fat ratios will apply to organic butter. I can sure tell it when my local organic dairy puts the cows out on grass in the spring. Tastes delicious.
PLOS ONE: Organic Production Enhances Milk Nutritional Quality by Shifting Fatty Acid Composition: A United States?Wide, 18-Month Study
Those who drink a lot of milk, especially high fat dieters, might have a look at this. I would assume that the same fat ratios will apply to organic butter. I can sure tell it when my local organic dairy puts the cows out on grass in the spring. Tastes delicious.
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The way your meat is raised makes a big difference in the quality of the final product, factory raised animals and things like eggs do not have the same balance of omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acids.
Feed them what nature intended and the end product is superior.
Our pork is pasture raised and grain finished... chicken and eggs are free range, and our beef is grass fed.
We add as much wild meat and fish as possible to our diet taking into consideration the possibility of contamination in fish stocks... our local lamb is also very good.
Farmed fish has a less desirable ratio of Omega 3 / Omega 6 because of the commercial feed that is provided... Tilapia is really tasty but is one of the poorest quality fishes as almost all of it is farm raised.
Feed them what nature intended and the end product is superior.
Our pork is pasture raised and grain finished... chicken and eggs are free range, and our beef is grass fed.
We add as much wild meat and fish as possible to our diet taking into consideration the possibility of contamination in fish stocks... our local lamb is also very good.
Farmed fish has a less desirable ratio of Omega 3 / Omega 6 because of the commercial feed that is provided... Tilapia is really tasty but is one of the poorest quality fishes as almost all of it is farm raised.
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Little evidence of health benefits from organic foods, Stanford study finds - Office of Communications & Public Affairs - Stanford University School of Medicine
Organic food no more nutritious than conventionally grown food - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publications
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Sarcastically implying that pesticides in strangely excessive quantities are bad is not an argument that foods labelled "organic" are pesticide-free (or free of other contaminant), nor is it an argument that "organic" foods are better for you than "nonorganic" foods. (Truly nonorganic foods tend to be crunchy, gritty, hard, and bad for your teeth...)
It's a snidely irrelevant straw man that adds nothing to the discourse in progress.
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Well, how about because most people are honest about it, and they are tested to keep them honest?
https://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getf...TELPRDC5101234
And
The Facts Regarding Pesticide Residues and Organic Foods | Natural Grocers
But why spend the extra money to buy organic?
1) Taste. Organic tastes better. Do your own comparison, bananas, carrots, and tomatoes for instance.
2) Pesticide residue. Pesticides are neurotoxins. Potential developmental neurotoxicity of pest... [Environ Health. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
Pesticide residues show up in most of us: https://www.nchh.org/Portals/0/Contents/Article0234.pdf Pesticide residue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3) Environmental concerns. Agribusinesses do massive monocultures which require massive chemical inputs. Organic farmers are usually small and local. They take care of the land.
4) Politics. Your money is your vote. You can either give money to Archer-Daniels-Midland and Monsanto and their lobbyists or you can give it to your local community.
5) Buying organic is actually cheap in the long run. There are few organic processed foods. The closer to the dirt you buy, the cheaper it is.
Many of us find that riding is good for our health. We spend a lot of money on our hobby. Buying organic could be the least expensive health insurance you'll every buy. Most of us have fire insurance. We hope to never use it. So it is with organic insurance. However I've noticed in my personal experience that those who didn't buy the insurance are those who are most likely to defend their not doing so, saying it wouldn't have done any good.
Cause and effect are subtle and difficult to pin down in human physiology, as we can easily see from zillions of threads on this forum. Me, I'm buying the insurance, and possibly saving money while I'm at it.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getf...TELPRDC5101234
And
The Facts Regarding Pesticide Residues and Organic Foods | Natural Grocers
But why spend the extra money to buy organic?
1) Taste. Organic tastes better. Do your own comparison, bananas, carrots, and tomatoes for instance.
2) Pesticide residue. Pesticides are neurotoxins. Potential developmental neurotoxicity of pest... [Environ Health. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
Pesticide residues show up in most of us: https://www.nchh.org/Portals/0/Contents/Article0234.pdf Pesticide residue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
3) Environmental concerns. Agribusinesses do massive monocultures which require massive chemical inputs. Organic farmers are usually small and local. They take care of the land.
4) Politics. Your money is your vote. You can either give money to Archer-Daniels-Midland and Monsanto and their lobbyists or you can give it to your local community.
5) Buying organic is actually cheap in the long run. There are few organic processed foods. The closer to the dirt you buy, the cheaper it is.
Many of us find that riding is good for our health. We spend a lot of money on our hobby. Buying organic could be the least expensive health insurance you'll every buy. Most of us have fire insurance. We hope to never use it. So it is with organic insurance. However I've noticed in my personal experience that those who didn't buy the insurance are those who are most likely to defend their not doing so, saying it wouldn't have done any good.
Cause and effect are subtle and difficult to pin down in human physiology, as we can easily see from zillions of threads on this forum. Me, I'm buying the insurance, and possibly saving money while I'm at it.
#3 Quantify massive. Cite application rates of the active ingredient used, compare the LD50 for said ingredient and its half life. More on this later
#4 When I was involved directly in agriculture ADM and Cargill controlled >95% of the world wheat trade, please explain Monsanto connection. BTW the product that made Monsanto becomes neutralized upon contact with soil and has zero residual. Roundup.
#5 Organic is not cheaper when you consider yield per acre of a shrinking amount of farmland in use. Also consider the percent of the worlds population that is starving.
We try to eat organic food, especially when it comes to meat, fish and eggs. With animal products, organic usually guarantees better treatment. It's not always as simple as that: most of the chicken sold around where we live is actually not chicken, but broiler. It's a specifically bred, fast growing meat production plant, not a bird. It has severe health issues and one could argue selective breeding is actually gene manipulation in a crude form. I'm not sure an organic broiler is much of an improvement over the regular kind in that sense.
So, firstsporthub, how organic is "organic"?
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Which is why americans are in such good health.
Most people have more pesticides under their kitchen sink than is on or in their food. Antibacterial soap is a pesticide, as is the bleach used to launder your towels, as is the caffeine in your coffee. The nicotine from your parents or grandparents cigs was a s well. How many of you organic folks are using hand sanitizers?
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You're right, truly nonorganic tend to be crunchy, gritty, hard, and bad for your teeth...
Snidely irrelevant: is that uh, a weak burn or an ad hominem?
Snidely irrelevant: is that uh, a weak burn or an ad hominem?
Since you posted that, you probably don't understand the distinction, but I'll say it anyway:
Sarcastically implying that pesticides in strangely excessive quantities are bad is not an argument that foods labelled "organic" are pesticide-free (or free of other contaminant), nor is it an argument that "organic" foods are better for you than "nonorganic" foods. (Truly nonorganic foods tend to be crunchy, gritty, hard, and bad for your teeth...)
It's a snidely irrelevant straw man that adds nothing to the discourse in progress.
Sarcastically implying that pesticides in strangely excessive quantities are bad is not an argument that foods labelled "organic" are pesticide-free (or free of other contaminant), nor is it an argument that "organic" foods are better for you than "nonorganic" foods. (Truly nonorganic foods tend to be crunchy, gritty, hard, and bad for your teeth...)
It's a snidely irrelevant straw man that adds nothing to the discourse in progress.
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Sobering Facts About Monsanto?s RoundUp (Glyphosate) and How The EPA Ignores Dangers | The Daily Unconstitutional
One tiny quote from one link:
To determine if only individuals who are in direct contact with contaminated feed or glyphosate laced compounds are at risk of glyphosate poisoning a study was conducted in December 2011 of an urban population in Berlin. The urine of city workers, journalists and lawyers, who had no direct contact with glyphosate, was examined for glyphosate contamination by a research team at the University of Leipzig. The study found glyphosate in all urine samples at values ranging from 0.5 to 2 ng glyphosate per ml urine (drinking water limit: 0.1 ng / ml). None of the examinees had direct contact with agriculture.
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There are more naturally occurring rodent carcinogens in one cup of coffee than there are synthetic pesticides in all of the fruits and vegetables you eat in a year. - Bruce Ames
We have estimated that on average Americans ingest roughly 5,000 to 10,000 different natural pesticides and their breakdown products. Americans eat about 1,500 mg of natural pesticides per person per day, which is about 10,000 times more than the 0.09 mg they consume of synthetic pesticide residues. - Ames/Gold
Cancer and environmental chemicals: vues of Bruce Ames
We have estimated that on average Americans ingest roughly 5,000 to 10,000 different natural pesticides and their breakdown products. Americans eat about 1,500 mg of natural pesticides per person per day, which is about 10,000 times more than the 0.09 mg they consume of synthetic pesticide residues. - Ames/Gold
Cancer and environmental chemicals: vues of Bruce Ames
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There are more naturally occurring rodent carcinogens in one cup of coffee than there are synthetic pesticides in all of the fruits and vegetables you eat in a year. - Bruce Ames
We have estimated that on average Americans ingest roughly 5,000 to 10,000 different natural pesticides and their breakdown products. Americans eat about 1,500 mg of natural pesticides per person per day, which is about 10,000 times more than the 0.09 mg they consume of synthetic pesticide residues. - Ames/Gold
Cancer and environmental chemicals: vues of Bruce Ames
We have estimated that on average Americans ingest roughly 5,000 to 10,000 different natural pesticides and their breakdown products. Americans eat about 1,500 mg of natural pesticides per person per day, which is about 10,000 times more than the 0.09 mg they consume of synthetic pesticide residues. - Ames/Gold
Cancer and environmental chemicals: vues of Bruce Ames
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#5 Organic is not cheaper when you consider yield per acre of a shrinking amount of farmland in use. Also consider the percent of the worlds population that is starving.
https://unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf
The whole thing is worth reading, but page 59 and 60 of this pdf are the conclusions - well worth reading. With respect to this discussion:
All case studies which focused on food production in this research where data have been reported have shown increases in per hectare productivity of food crops
Switch to organic farming may boost yields and incomes - SciDev.Net
Organic Agriculture: Can organic farmers produce enough food for everybody?
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I am not saying this is your intention, but this line of argumentation is cheap emotional manipulation that is not backed up by facts.
https://unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf
The whole thing is worth reading, but page 59 and 60 of this pdf are the conclusions - well worth reading. With respect to this discussion:
https://unctad.org/en/docs/presspb20086_en.pdf
Switch to organic farming may boost yields and incomes - SciDev.Net
Organic Agriculture: Can organic farmers produce enough food for everybody?
https://unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf
The whole thing is worth reading, but page 59 and 60 of this pdf are the conclusions - well worth reading. With respect to this discussion:
https://unctad.org/en/docs/presspb20086_en.pdf
Switch to organic farming may boost yields and incomes - SciDev.Net
Organic Agriculture: Can organic farmers produce enough food for everybody?
Organic agriculture and yields. The performance of organic agriculture on production depends on the previous agricultural management system. An over-simplification of the impact of conversion to organic agriculture on yields indicates that:
- In industrial countries, organic systems decrease yields; the range depends on the intensity of external input use before conversion;
- In the so-called Green Revolution areas (irrigated lands), conversion to organic agriculture usually leads to almost identical yields;
- In traditional rain-fed agriculture (with low-input external inputs), organic agriculture has the potential to increase yields.
Maybe I am reading it wrong but it seems to be saying that in industrialized nations (US would be one) organic decreases yields.
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Thanks for the links! I'm not sure what facts are not backing up my assertions. A quick scan of the links you provided not only gave me the following quote but also that the studies in Africa were on small scale farms and the cotton study at least was on marginal farm ground with low yields. I did not see much actual data presented either. I did see phrases like "many had increased yields" Now for a quaote from the last link you posted:
Organic agriculture and yields. The performance of organic agriculture on production depends on the previous agricultural management system. An over-simplification of the impact of conversion to organic agriculture on yields indicates that:
Maybe I am reading it wrong but it seems to be saying that in industrialized nations (US would be one) organic decreases yields.
Organic agriculture and yields. The performance of organic agriculture on production depends on the previous agricultural management system. An over-simplification of the impact of conversion to organic agriculture on yields indicates that:
- In industrial countries, organic systems decrease yields; the range depends on the intensity of external input use before conversion;
- In the so-called Green Revolution areas (irrigated lands), conversion to organic agriculture usually leads to almost identical yields;
- In traditional rain-fed agriculture (with low-input external inputs), organic agriculture has the potential to increase yields.
Maybe I am reading it wrong but it seems to be saying that in industrialized nations (US would be one) organic decreases yields.
However, what I was refuting was your assertion that (a) organic means lower yields (in some cases, yes, in others, no) and a greater cost when one considers everything and that (b) organic will aggravate problems related to hunger on a worldwide basis. In a number of regions in the world, it seems clear that a shift to more of an emphasis on primarily organic, small scale, subsistence food production would do a great deal to alleviate hunger.
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Yeah Wesley36 I see lots of good news in what you linked to. Organic can and in many cases does increase a farmers income. The fact that with marginal farmland they can have increased yields is also good. The hunger problem is really more of a distribution problem than actual shortages. In population dense countries they cannot subsist on small scale farming, there simply is not enough land available partly due to people living on it.
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Go to a mall or any public gathering this weekend and just take a look around. Do those people look healthy to you? There is an epidemic of just about every major, life threatening health problem right now in the US. It's due to a combination of toxic food, inactivity, stress, social isolation and ignorance.
Dirty food is just the tip of the iceberg, however.
Dirty food is just the tip of the iceberg, however.
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For example, in the article:
"This does not mean that coffee or natural pesticides are dangerous, but rather that assumptions about high dose animal cancer tests for assessing human risk at low doses need reexamination. "
"Rodent cancer tests by themselves provide little information about how a chemical causes cancer (in humans) or about low-dose risk."
"Caution is necessary in drawing conclusions from the occurrence in the diet of natural chemicals that are rodent carcinogens. It is not argued here that these dietary exposures are necessarily of much relevance to human cancer. Data call for a reevaluation of the utility of animal cancer tests in protecting the public against minor hypothetical risks. "
Ames also discusses the role of evolution in four separate points. Just do a word such on "evolut" and you will find the discussions.
So your statement is perfectly inaccurate.
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Go to a mall or any public gathering this weekend and just take a look around. Do those people look healthy to you? There is an epidemic of just about every major, life threatening health problem right now in the US. It's due to a combination of toxic food, inactivity, stress, social isolation and ignorance.
Dirty food is just the tip of the iceberg, however.
Dirty food is just the tip of the iceberg, however.
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I'll just take my chances. Life expectancy lists pretty much refute what you seem to be claiming. List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Okinawans are the healthiest, longest-living people on the planet. They have the highest percentage of centenarians on the planet. They remain physically active throughout their lives. They remain wrinkle free for a lifetime. They eat very little meat. Very small portions of boiled pork with the fat removed. Plenty of vegetables that they grow, including sweet potatoes as a staple. The diseases that americans suffer from are at near zero levels. The men have much higher testosterone levels within their age cohort.
Meanwhile, here in 'murica:
fat-people.jpg
Off the charts levels of disease. 2/3 of 'muricans are overweight or obese. A near majority of teens are overweight or obese.
Basically what's happening is that 'muricans are maintained to live as long as possible in as sickly a state as possible by the unhealth care system and the drug cartel pharmaceutical industry.
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Serious question: are you illiterate? The US ranks just 35th.
Okinawans are the healthiest, longest-living people on the planet. They have the highest percentage of centenarians on the planet. They remain physically active throughout their lives. They remain wrinkle free for a lifetime. They eat very little meat. Very small portions of boiled pork with the fat removed. Plenty of vegetables that they grow, including sweet potatoes as a staple. The diseases that americans suffer from are at near zero levels. The men have much higher testosterone levels within their age cohort.
Meanwhile, here in 'murica:
fat-people.jpg
Off the charts levels of disease. 2/3 of 'muricans are overweight or obese. A near majority of teens are overweight or obese.
Basically what's happening is that 'muricans are maintained to live as long as possible in as sickly a state as possible by the unhealth care system and the drug cartel pharmaceutical industry.
Okinawans are the healthiest, longest-living people on the planet. They have the highest percentage of centenarians on the planet. They remain physically active throughout their lives. They remain wrinkle free for a lifetime. They eat very little meat. Very small portions of boiled pork with the fat removed. Plenty of vegetables that they grow, including sweet potatoes as a staple. The diseases that americans suffer from are at near zero levels. The men have much higher testosterone levels within their age cohort.
Meanwhile, here in 'murica:
fat-people.jpg
Off the charts levels of disease. 2/3 of 'muricans are overweight or obese. A near majority of teens are overweight or obese.
Basically what's happening is that 'muricans are maintained to live as long as possible in as sickly a state as possible by the unhealth care system and the drug cartel pharmaceutical industry.
Nice conspiracy theory you have there.
To think folks think the 41 is hostile! Two different threads in this forum I am attacked.
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Did you even read the article? Your statement does not in the least reflect the spirit or details of the article.
For example, in the article:
"This does not mean that coffee or natural pesticides are dangerous, but rather that assumptions about high dose animal cancer tests for assessing human risk at low doses need reexamination. "
"Rodent cancer tests by themselves provide little information about how a chemical causes cancer (in humans) or about low-dose risk."
"Caution is necessary in drawing conclusions from the occurrence in the diet of natural chemicals that are rodent carcinogens. It is not argued here that these dietary exposures are necessarily of much relevance to human cancer. Data call for a reevaluation of the utility of animal cancer tests in protecting the public against minor hypothetical risks. "
Ames also discusses the role of evolution in four separate points. Just do a word such on "evolut" and you will find the discussions.
So your statement is perfectly inaccurate.
For example, in the article:
"This does not mean that coffee or natural pesticides are dangerous, but rather that assumptions about high dose animal cancer tests for assessing human risk at low doses need reexamination. "
"Rodent cancer tests by themselves provide little information about how a chemical causes cancer (in humans) or about low-dose risk."
"Caution is necessary in drawing conclusions from the occurrence in the diet of natural chemicals that are rodent carcinogens. It is not argued here that these dietary exposures are necessarily of much relevance to human cancer. Data call for a reevaluation of the utility of animal cancer tests in protecting the public against minor hypothetical risks. "
Ames also discusses the role of evolution in four separate points. Just do a word such on "evolut" and you will find the discussions.
So your statement is perfectly inaccurate.
We have estimated that on average Americans ingest roughly 5,000 to 10,000 different natural pesticides and their breakdown products. Americans eat about 1,500 mg of natural pesticides per person per day, which is about 10,000 times more than the 0.09 mg they consume of synthetic pesticide residues. - Ames/Gold
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Here's a thought: Coke is not organic. One of the main contributors to obesity is the 300,0000 fast food restaurants which have opened in the US since 1970. It turns out to be all about the distance between these establishments. I believe the goal is 200 yards. Do Fast Food Restaurants Contribute to Obesity?
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Euele Gibbons only ate organic foods and he died. Therefore, I conclude that if you eat organic food you will probably die.