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    drinking milk bad

    I like to ask if drinking milk for a endurance athlete have or create problems.
    I drink skim milk about 2 to 3 glasses a day as i love milk and the calcium is good
    any proven things on milk that would hinder ones health and performance/

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    I believe that real dairy milk from animals is healthy. Humans have been eating dairy products for thousands of years. I like the full fat milk instead if skim milk...Non-dairy milk substitutes such as rice milk, almond, soya are garbage and they are not very healthy, all those non-dairy milk products are just water, vegetable oils, chemicals, flavourings and a bunch of other artificial ingridients with no nutritional value.

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    What data do you have showing that almond milk is "not very healthy"?

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    They heard it on am radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzatronic View Post
    What data do you have showing that almond milk is "not very healthy"?
    I don't have any scientific data. My opinion is based from reading ingridients labels on most non-dairy milk substitutes... Almonds and almond butter are great and I enjoy them a lot, but I would never drink some flavoured water sold as "milk". Also the casein and whey protein in dairy milk is superior to any non-dairy beverage. Another thing about real milk is it provides saturated fat and cholesterol; which are essential to health and wellbeing. Dairy milk has a superior nutritional value compared to no-dairy milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    I don't have any scientific data. My opinion is based from reading ingridients labels on most non-dairy milk substitutes... Almonds and almond butter are great and I enjoy them a lot, but I would never drink some flavoured water sold as "milk". Also the casein and whey protein in dairy milk is superior to any non-dairy beverage. Another thing about real milk is it provides saturated fat and cholesterol; which are essential to health and wellbeing. Dairy milk has a superior nutritional value compared to no-dairy milk.
    ... I assume you know that most cardiologists and nutritionists would tell you the opposite -- that you should AVOID saturated fat and cholesterol?
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    Looks on Almond Milk carton:

    INGREDIENTS: Filtered Water, Almonds, Sea Salt.

    What am I missing about oils and chemicals?

    I'd rather drink what I read above over puss.
    (google it - you'll be grossed out how much puss is in cows milk due to udder infections at dairy farms). Enjoy your fat and cholesterol

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    ... I assume you know that most cardiologists and nutritionists would tell you the opposite -- that you should AVOID saturated fat and cholesterol?
    not all saturated fat is the same. A huge trend in the bodybuilding/powerlifting community right now is eating coconut oil for the MCTs, and I'm fairly certain coconut oil is primarily saturated fat.
    and dietary cholesterol doesn't really have a huge effect on blood levels, hence why eggs are no longer viewed as evil.


    To the OP, keep drinking milk, but drink whole milk.
    Almond milk is fine too, just pay attention to ingredients.
    Soy is garbage, I'll agree with wolfchild on that for sure. Avoid it.

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    Milk is junk food, full fat milk is even junkier. There is no argument, if you want to accept that milk is good for you, only comming from the dairy industry, go ahead. It is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeeee View Post
    Milk is junk food, full fat milk is even junkier. There is no argument, if you want to accept that milk is good for you, only comming from the dairy industry, go ahead. It is not.

    maybe not the cleanest of calories according to some (seemingly biased) studies I've heard cited. Most of these were in pro-vegan food documentaries.

    but in terms of usable protein, fats, and carbs it's one of the best bang for your buck "whole" foods.
    For people who have a hard time maintaining/gaining weight, it's often times a staple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    maybe not the cleanest of calories according to some (seemingly biased) studies I've heard cited. Most of these were in pro-vegan food documentaries.

    but in terms of usable protein, fats, and carbs it's one of the best bang for your buck "whole" foods.
    For people who have a hard time maintaining/gaining weight, it's often times a staple.
    here are just a few of the delicious things found in cows milk:

    • Niflumic acid - anti-inflammatory painkiller
    • Mefenamic acid – anti-inflammatory
    • Flunixin - anti-inflammatory
    • Ibuprofen – painkiller
    • Diclofenac – anti-inflammatory
    • Ketoprofen - anti-inflammatory
    • Florfenicol – antibiotic
    • 17B-estradiol – sex hormone
    • Triclosan – anti-fungal drug
    • Pryimethamine – anti-malaria drug
    • 17a-ethinylestradiol – steroid hormone

    sounds very healthy lol oh yea not to mention the fat and sugar lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeeee View Post
    here are just a few of the delicious things found in cows milk:

    • Niflumic acid - anti-inflammatory painkiller
    • Mefenamic acid – anti-inflammatory
    • Flunixin - anti-inflammatory
    • Ibuprofen – painkiller
    • Diclofenac – anti-inflammatory
    • Ketoprofen - anti-inflammatory
    • Florfenicol – antibiotic
    • 17B-estradiol – sex hormone
    • Triclosan – anti-fungal drug
    • Pryimethamine – anti-malaria drug
    • 17a-ethinylestradiol – steroid hormone

    sounds very healthy lol oh yea not to mention the fat and sugar lol

    some people get milk from local farms with better standards or buy organic (yes I know not all organic is perfectly fine).
    that's like comparing a home-made grass fed burger with bread you baked to a cheeseburger from mcdonalds. where you buy the product makes a difference in quality.
    nothing wrong with fat and sugar, especially pre/post workout.

    i have to ask. are you a vegetarian or vegan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    maybe not the cleanest of calories according to some (seemingly biased) studies I've heard cited. Most of these were in pro-vegan food documentaries.

    but in terms of usable protein, fats, and carbs it's one of the best bang for your buck "whole" foods.
    For people who have a hard time maintaining/gaining weight, it's often times a staple.
    I think too often these days people assume that ideology and agendas drive the facts... In some cases that is true. But it is not true across the board.

    "I'm a meat-eater -- so I'll believe what the Atkins / Paleo / etc... proponents say (and only what they say)"
    "I'm a vegan -- so I'll believe what the vegan proponents say (and only what they say)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by howeeee View Post
    here are just a few of the delicious things found in cows milk:

    • Niflumic acid - anti-inflammatory painkiller
    • Mefenamic acid – anti-inflammatory
    • Flunixin - anti-inflammatory
    • Ibuprofen – painkiller
    • Diclofenac – anti-inflammatory
    • Ketoprofen - anti-inflammatory
    • Florfenicol – antibiotic
    • 17B-estradiol – sex hormone
    • Triclosan – anti-fungal drug
    • Pryimethamine – anti-malaria drug
    • 17a-ethinylestradiol – steroid hormone

    sounds very healthy lol oh yea not to mention the fat and sugar lol
    Shoot, that stuff is good for you and keeps you feeling better boy. Now go find something to complain about that matters.
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    ^^ I agree that it's not always that way. But quite often I find situations like this. Vegans are convinced that meat is unhealthy, and anti-vegans will typically state that all vegans are underweight and weak (despite the fact that there are some muscular vegans).

    Studies funded by the corn industry will tell you nothing is wrong with HFCS or GMOs.
    Studies funded by the dairy industry will tell you milk is fine, other studies may not.


    I think the key is eating whole foods, moderating junk, and taking everything with a grain of salt (unless you're one of those anti sodium people too). Milk worked great for me and was a staple in a diet that helped me put on nearly 30 pounds in a year. It's an affordable source of post workout nutrition. I can believe that it's not the BEST option, but I don't notice any negative effects when I consume dairy. Some people can't tolerate it, and have bad skin issues, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    Shoot, that stuff is good for you and keeps you feeling better boy. Now go find something to complain about that matters.
    Add some chocolate and all those anti-inflammatories and it's perfect for cycling!

    No food is perfect but you could do a lot worse than milk.

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    Leave Britney alone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
    Add some chocolate and all those anti-inflammatories and it's perfect for cycling!

    No food is perfect but you could do a lot worse than milk.
    +1.

    Although I'll admit that drinking a pint of choco-milk and getting right back on th bike is not necessarily a good idea. Sit and let it digest, or use it as an after-ride drink instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    ... I assume you know that most cardiologists and nutritionists would tell you the opposite -- that you should AVOID saturated fat and cholesterol?
    what century did get your that info from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenA View Post
    what century did get your that info from?
    November 20, 2013 -- from a cardiologist and his nutritionist at the #1 rated heart clinic in the US: The Cleveland Clinic.

    Where did you get yours from?
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    if you drink milk, most scientific research says that whole milk is the healthiest choice.

    "Contrary to common belief, the whole fat in milk actually helps with healthy weight loss. According to Dr. J.R. Crewe at the Mayo Clinic, the healthy fats in milk can help to lower cholesterol, reduce chronic fatigue, improve urinary tract problems, and numerous other conditions".

    "conjugated linoleic acid in whole milk can help reduce body fat and increase lean muscle mass, which aids in weight loss."

    "whole milk naturally contains more vitamins and nutrients. Because of the processing involved in getting whole milk skim, most of the nutrients and vitamins are also removed. Any nutritional elements in skim milk are artificially added back".




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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    November 20, 2013 -- from a cardiologist and his nutritionist at the #1 rated heart clinic in the US: The Cleveland Clinic.

    Where did you get yours from?
    anybody can call themselves a nutritionist....I wouldn't get dietary info from a cardiologist any more then I would ask a plumber to fix my car

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenA View Post
    anybody can call themselves a nutritionist....I wouldn't get dietary info from a cardiologist any more then I would ask a plumber to fix my car

    fairly true.
    I've received horrible nutritional/supplementation advice from a general practitioner.
    Unless someone specializes in nutrition or is a huge part of the studies, they're just regurgiating info much like we are.

    Nutritionists don't even agree with each other. You'll have anti-meat, anti-dairy, anti-gluten, anti-carbs, pro-carbs, etc within the community. The bottom line is different things work for different people.
    But when a cyclist asks if a glass of milk is "bad" in terms of health/performance the answer, in my opinion, would be no. Especially in terms of performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenA View Post
    anybody can call themselves a nutritionist....I wouldn't get dietary info from a cardiologist any more then I would ask a plumber to fix my car
    True, they can. But I was speaking of a registered, licensed nutritionist.

    And, I was also speaking about a preventive cardiologist who is trained and experienced in life-style practices (Such as diet, exercise, stress reduction techniques) to prevent and manage heart disease.

    ... You can follow an internet guru if you choose. He might be right (or be partly right).

    But, since I'm betting my life on it -- I'll go with the highest quality and most reliable advice I can find.
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    [QUOTE=GeorgeBMac;16393472]True, they can. But I was speaking of a registered, licensed nutritionist.

    there is no such thing

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