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Old 03-19-14, 10:47 AM   #251
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Again, if you want to eat green eggs and ham -- I say Go For It! (But don't try to tell others that their diet is wrong.)

The ops said that this thread was to discuss Paleo/LCHF eating. They did not say it was about (unchallenged) attacks on other diets.
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People have been checking out my wife...

She was already curvy as hell but over the past 6 months she has lost 50 pounds and just gotten more curvaceous ...
Yeah, that's like saying in the C&V forum, "I got an amazing paint job on my retored bike" and then leaving it at that: no pics, didn't happen!!

I haven't completely read this thread but so far, I haven't seen anyone respond to the generally offered supposition that long rides should be fueled with carbs. Do people here, who do long rides (centuries, tours), continue to limit carbs?

Update: I found what @Fatboy said on this question.

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This is not generally aimed at the quoter but to anybody who talks about research and uses it to support an argument or opinion.

Have you read the study yourself and do you know how to interpret research and stats? The media is very poor at interpreting research and makes assumptions that sell news. Getting media reported research is second hand news. The study needs to be read and the methods and math needs to be understood before one can say that the study is uncovering the truth.

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That study was debunked the day it was published.

'Dr Eric B Rimm (Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA) said, " We uncovered a serious mistake in their review of PUFA that likely will change the results substantially. ... Moreover, the group's conclusion about saturated fat "has little context, because it likely represents the result of when you exchange saturated fat in your diet for refined grain. Thus, saturated fat is no better or worse than eating white bread. We have known that for decades, so [it] is not new."

Dr Alice H Lichtenstein (Tufts University, Boston, MA) replied by email, "The majority of the evidence suggests that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat reduces heart disease risk, whereas replacing saturated fat with carbohydrate does not. This new study only assessed one factor, an indicator of dietary fat, and not the whole picture, making the conclusions questionable."

Apparently even the senior author of the study, Di Angelantonio, admitted that it contained "minor mistakes" that need to be corrected. And the study itself listed its own limitations as containing: "Potential biases from preferential publication and selective reporting."
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The mod stated and supports the view, that this is thread about a certain way of eating, and that those who support or are interested in it can discuss it freely, without the imposition of outright contrary opinion.
Yeaaaa for that!

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We try to do that. Doesn't always work, and I'm sorry if the dialog doesn't meet your standards.
No worries - the dialogue is fine - I was really more commenting on the occasional lack of integrity by researchers and others who proof-text their work (even when there are erroneous conclusions/methodology)


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I am encouraged that you are willing to examine the potential of LCHF and look forward to hearing about your approach and results...
Thanks! It's been a taxing couple of days, but I understand realigning body chemistry will take some adjustment time (usually does for me anyway...)
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Yes PolarBear007 for me it took about 3 weeks to fully adapt to a LCHF diet. Since then I'm fine
with plenty of energy on bike rides (I just did 50 miles on just water and a turkey sandwich at mile 30).
That said I'm an old guy just poking along so I cant really speak to performance biking on LCHF.

On balance I have to say I love the LCHF style I'm on.

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It's possible that you will feel headachy for a while. For me it was similar to a dull altitude headache.

Drink as much water as you can tolerate.

I had a craving for pickled food...never understood why.

These are my own experiences.............no googling involved :-)
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Thanks so much for the encouragement guys!

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Yes PolarBear007 for me it took about 3 weeks to fully adapt to a LCHF diet. Since then I'm fine
with plenty of energy on bike rides (I just did 50 miles on just water and a turkey sandwich at mile 30).
That said I'm an old guy just poking along so I cant really speak to performance biking on LCHF.

On balance I have to say I love the LCHF style I'm on.

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Hey Charlie - thanks! It's good(I think?) to know I'm in for a little more of the "(insert vehemently shouted naughty word) #&&$&#& adjustment" stage, but it eventually levels out...

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It's possible that you will feel headachy for a while. For me it was similar to a dull altitude headache.
Thanks lenA - my wife got the headaches as you describe (and not resultant of dehydration...) I'm experiencing a general sense of feeling less focused or "fuzzy" as my body chemistry is changing and my brain (small as it is ;-0 ) adjusts to different (lower glucose fuel?) resources. This is strictly my uneducated hypothesis based on what I'm reading online (and not Wikipedia....) from as wide a source spectrum as I can gather.

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Drink as much water as you can tolerate.
This is good advice! Due to where I live (and not being a native to here), I need to consume more water than I usually would. I'm finding this change in diet is adding to my desire to drink more water.

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I had a craving for pickled food...never understood why.
Maybe for additional sodium/salt? I'm noticeably detoxing from sugar and carbs and still have strong cravings for it. I won't put a name on the demons that are haunting me, but like a dog to it's vomit I'm longing to re-visit them......

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These are my own experiences.............no googling involved :-)
Thanks for this!

I place a high value on accurately recorded and as bias-free as possible personal experience. I know results can be affected/skewed by pre-conceived conclusions (a placebo affect), but I also believe that people who are honestly looking for *results* not some process to champion will be more empirical in their reporting.

Only a few more days until 1st weigh-in since beginning. With me, it's the 2nd, 3rd and 4th weigh-in's that are most telling.
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Cereal Killers creator Donal O' Neill & the Australian cricket team doctor Dr. Peter Brukner set the record straight on British breakfast TV about low carb high fat diets!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKN9PlXxmKc
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Yeah, that's like saying in the C&V forum, "I got an amazing paint job on my restored bike" and then leaving it at that: no pics, didn't happen!!

I haven't completely read this thread but so far, I haven't seen anyone respond to the generally offered supposition that long rides should be fueled with carbs. Do people here, who do long rides (centuries, tours), continue to limit carbs?

Update: I found what @Fatboy said on this question.
She is usually quite reserved when it comes to pictures... although less so of late.
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Sixty Fiver,

One of my co-workers was once on a high-protein kick (or high-fat, or maybe both) and he used to bring in microwavable pork rinds. They came in a bag like microwavable popcorn. I can tell you that when he opened up the bag, the smell would put everyone else off their feed. I had hoped to never look upon another pork rind, but now you've gone and done it....
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Sixty Fiver,

One of my co-workers was once on a high-protein kick (or high-fat, or maybe both) and he used to bring in microwavable pork rinds. They came in a bag like microwavable popcorn. I can tell you that when he opened up the bag, the smell would put everyone else off their feed. I had hoped to never look upon another pork rind, but now you've gone and done it....
That sounds disgusting... the pork rinds (here) have almost no smell and are mostly crunch with a slight hint of bacon goodness.
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This morning I put a small pork shoulder in the crock pot with carrots, onions, and daikon radish (an excellent substitute for potatoes).

The pork is so tender you can cut it with a fork and the daikon is really exceptional, the cooking mellows the radish and it picks up a lot of flavours from the rest of the dish.
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Tripe stew used to be very popular dish in my family. The smell of boiling Tripe was absolutly horrible , but then after it was all finished it was good eating.
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I started out munching on pork rinds mostly because the texture was similar to the snacks I was used to eating.

Now I only snack on sunflower seeds in the shell.

As a former smoker and compulsive eater, the seeds cover the hand to mouth, and the snacking thing. It's really hard to eat too many. Sunflower seeds are packed with nutritional goodies and have a nice macro profile of 77% F 13% C and 10% P.

Nice to have developed a positive addiction for a change.
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WOW!! Just dripping with Heatness!!! You must be proud!!!
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Sriracha is pretty mild stuff and think this is why it is so popular in the west.

I have chowed down on raw Bahamian goat peppers that have a SHU rating of 325,000 (hotter than a Habanero) while Sriracha only rates 2200 SHU which makes is slightly less hot than the red Jalapeno peppers that goes into it.

Many Thai and Vietnamese dishes use much hotter peppers and will make you breathe fire.

SHU = Scoville Heat Units
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Sriracha is pretty mild stuff and think this is why it is so popular in the west.

I have chowed down on raw Bahamian goat peppers that have a SHU rating of 325,000 (hotter than a Habanero) while Sriracha only rates 2200 SHU which makes is slightly less hot than the red Jalapeno peppers that goes into it.

Many Thai and Vietnamese dishes use much hotter peppers and will make you breathe fire.

SHU = Scoville Heat Units
A local store sells a hot sauces, at least 2 of which can't be bought without signing a waiver: 800,000 SHU and 1.2mil SHU. Sriracha is about my limit but I do enjoy it on scrambled eggs in the morning.
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for those asking michael pollan has written extensively on food an diet

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I read his misplaced criticism of Paleo. He is really coming down on the food industry. I agree with him that procurring meat on a Paleo diet isn't easy. I shoot mine. I suspect others do, too. I wonder why he assumes Paleos even shop at supermarkets.
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I read his misplaced criticism of Paleo. He is really coming down on the food industry. I agree with him that procurring meat on a Paleo diet isn't easy. I shoot mine. I suspect others do, too. I wonder why he assumes Paleos even shop at supermarkets.
Probably because vast majority of people do shop at supermarkest/butcher shop/whole food etc.

Very few people have even seen an animal butchered in person.

Judging by your username I suspect you are in the minority that do know how to field dress.
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Probably because vast majority of people do shop at supermarkest/butcher shop/whole food etc.

Very few people have even seen an animal butchered in person.

Judging by your username I suspect you are in the minority that do know how to field dress.
The garbage that passes for food is shocking. The food we stuff into our faces has a bigger determinate on our health than the exercise we do. Some are fortunate to live in rural areas with access to local produce, eggs, grass fed meats, and other choices. Yes, Weatherby is my favorite casing for meat.....few would connect the dots. I eat a lot of vegetables and salads. Colorado in the fall for bugling is my next mountain bike trip.
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