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Old 04-01-14, 10:48 AM   #301
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They don't... they sit around all day on this forum... When they hope on their bikes, they diesel along at a Z1 pace. Watch out for the BS anecdotes! <-note!

The reality for Keto/<100CHO is that your 70% effort will become your new 100%. Do a couple of quick sprints and your done for the day. If you are serious about performance, don't even think about these fad diets. Just eat a proper well balanced diet to fuel you on and off the bike.
The diet people eat when they are on the bike and doing sprints isn't the same diet you need to sustain your activities off the bike.
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How do you sustain energy levels on low carbs. I was low carb years ago, and had no fuel for endurance type or HIIT workouts. Carbs are the main source of fuel, so I am wondering how you all do it.
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They don't... they sit around all day on this forum... When they hope on their bikes, they diesel along at a Z1 pace. Watch out for the BS anecdotes! <-note!

The reality for Keto/<100CHO is that your 70% effort will become your new 100%. Do a couple of quick sprints and your done for the day. If you are serious about performance, don't even think about these fad diets. Just eat a proper well balanced diet to fuel you on and off the bike.

If you're on a ketogenic diet, then you're probably <50g carbs/day and you're right, you run low on glycogen and if you're doing workouts that hit muscle glycogen, then you're not going to have an optimum performance. You can do things like weight lifting or endurance bike riding no problem. You can't ride threshold intervals or do a Crossfit workout well.

I know it's tough from some to accept this, but all people do not base their existence on how they performed on this morning's group ride.

I don't really like staying ketogenic for long periods of time. I work better with about 150g or so of carbs/day. I like to ride pretty hard and do some hard workouts. For that, having some carbs is necessary.

I've said before that I don't follow a Paleo diet. My diet is basically trying to eat things that have minimal processing. My additions to a Paleo diet primarily include some dairy and buckwheat flour. The Paleo diet is not just a ketogenic thing. It's macro agnostic.
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Thanks to Sixty Fiver, I've really gotten into the coconut oil rush

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"The interesting thing about coconut oil is that it is a MCT (medium chain triglyceride) that is well metabolized when one is in a state of ketogenisis to provide energy for all the human body's systems".





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Coconut oil is good stuff. I use it often in my morning coffee and it does provide some extra energy. I'll drink my coconut coffee at about 5:30 in the morning then hop on my bike and ride to work, no need for solid food until noon hour.
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I don't follow a diet. I eat to perform. I am consuming 250-300g of carbs a day. This has been solid for me and I perform well on this amount.
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I try and stick to 100 grams of carbs per day, my wife is running on 30 grams per day.
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My way of eating priority is weight management.

I don't eat grain, so my daily <50 grams of carbs adds up to a good amount of veggies, nuts, and seeds.
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I don't follow a diet. I eat to perform. I am consuming 250-300g of carbs a day. This has been solid for me and I perform well on this amount.
Have you played around with that number? Even doing a pretty severe workout, you're not likely to need >1000 calories of carbs. If you're doing Crossfit or bike intervals, you might burn 500 calories of carbs, but even then, that's not going to be every day.

Training your body to efficiently process fats can be a real advantage. Let's say you're riding intervals and burn 1000 calories. If you can make 65 percent of those fat calories, you're in a much better place than if only 50 percent were from fat stores. In short, it means you have a better aerobic system and a more efficient engine overall.

I don't particularly limit carbs, but I do try and eat them appropriately to fuel the day's glycogen taxing activities.

Regardless of how you eat, it's an easy enough thing to tinker with and you might just find out some interesting things about how your body works.
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Have you played around with that number? Even doing a pretty severe workout, you're not likely to need >1000 calories of carbs. If you're doing Crossfit or bike intervals, you might burn 500 calories of carbs, but even then, that's not going to be every day.

Training your body to efficiently process fats can be a real advantage. Let's say you're riding intervals and burn 1000 calories. If you can make 65 percent of those fat calories, you're in a much better place than if only 50 percent were from fat stores. In short, it means you have a better aerobic system and a more efficient engine overall.

I don't particularly limit carbs, but I do try and eat them appropriately to fuel the day's glycogen taxing activities.

Regardless of how you eat, it's an easy enough thing to tinker with and you might just find out some interesting things about how your body works.

Yes, I have played around with that number. I should have been more accurate in my statement. I do have control days. When I know I am not going to workout too hard, I do control my carb intake, and up my protein. I am also in the Marine Corps (infantry), and I need fuel pretty much daily to keep up with these young ones.

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Yes, I have played around with that number. I should have been more accurate in my statement. I do have control days. When I know I am not going to workout too hard, I do control my carb intake, and up my protein. I am also in the Marine Corps (infantry), and I need fuel pretty much daily to keep up with these young ones.

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Marine Corps. infantry...that makes a _massive_ difference. You're essentially a professional athlete. Like any other hard-charging athlete, you're definitely going to need a good whack of carbs to fuel it. I guess the only thing I'd add to this part of the conversation is to be careful where you get those carbs. I think you're much better off with starchy tubers and things of that nature than you are with sugar. This way, you can get the muscle glycogen up, but you're still giving a nod to the insulin control side of things.
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Finding the point where you're not likely to bonk as you get worn down and not consuming too many carb calories, is something I worked on early in my program.

I would suggest replacing as many protein calories for fat calories as you can handle on the slacker days.
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Here is a really good snack... people re-constitute this for cooking but it can also be eaten like a candy bar without consuming a butt load of sugar and it costs less than a chocolate bar too.



I can see this as being perfect road food.
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Here is a really good snack... people re-constitute this for cooking but it can also be eaten like a candy bar without consuming a butt load of sugar and it costs less than a chocolate bar too.



I can see this as being perfect road food.
Nice and energy dense. You got me moving on this but I decided to purchase some dessicated coconut and try to mix up some of my own concoctions

"The fresh meats are carefully dehydrated to retain the full natural flavor and white color. During processing of the coconut, nothing is added and only the moisture is removed."


Remember when the veggie oil peddlers went on an all out blitz to put up barriers against the use of coconut (and palm) oil? Their packaging screamed NO TROPICAL OILS!
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One of my local oriental markets has that; been meaning to pick it up and try my hand at making curries.

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Am I making a mistake buying local bacon without the nitrates?

Cured meats and beets to boost NO? I wonder if ED drugs boost endurance since the affect NO and cGMP.

Nitrates shown to improve performance in endurance athletes | Predator Nutrition Blog
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here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2xhlIIueZY

is 17 minutes worth of a fine assortment of high fat wierdos' anecdotes
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I don't really follow primal or paleo, but as a diabetic, I try to keep the carb intake under very tight constraints.
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here

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is 17 minutes worth of a fine assortment of high fat wierdos' anecdotes
Hard science is too much for most people to handle.

I could explain in scientific terms why my wife's health has improved since she adopted a HFLC way of eating... but if I say she's looking curvy as hell folks perk up and want to see pictures.
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Hbut if I say she's looking curvy as hell folks perk up and want to see pictures.
Sorry but, I have to comment in your wife's defense. In the ladies clothing world, the term "curvy" is a polite way of saying "overweight" ... "plus size". Some dress manufacturers even have the sizes small, medium, large, and curvy. Type 'ladies dress sizing curvy' into Google and you'll see what I mean.

Every time you say she is getting curvier or looking curvy, you're saying she is gaining weight, becoming larger.

I presume that's not what you mean ... ???
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Sorry but, I have to comment in your wife's defense. In the ladies clothing world, the term "curvy" is a polite way of saying "overweight" ... "plus size". Some dress manufacturers even have the sizes small, medium, large, and curvy. Type 'ladies dress sizing curvy' into Google and you'll see what I mean.

Every time you say she is getting curvier or looking curvy, you're saying she is gaining weight, becoming larger.

I presume that's not what you mean ... ???
I am unfamiliar with "curvy" as being a lady's size.

cur·va·ceous adjective \ˌkər-ˈvā-shəs\

of a woman : having an attractively curved body


Losing 60 pounds has only accentuated those curves.
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I am unfamiliar with "curvy" as being a lady's size.
Yeah ... it's kind of common knowledge among women that "curvy" is a nice way of saying, "You've been packing on the pounds lately" ... or "You've now moved into the plus size dresses".


Slender, slim, fit, trim are probably better choices.

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I am unfamiliar with "curvy" as being a lady's size.

cur·va·ceous adjective \ˌkər-ˈvā-shəs\

of a woman : having an attractively curved body


Losing 60 pounds has only accentuated those curves.
I know what you mean because I associate in context with your previous posts, not as some buzzword
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I know what you mean because I associate in context with your previous posts, not as some buzzword
I know you know what I mean.
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Yeah ... it's kind of common knowledge among women that "curvy" is a nice way of saying, "You've been packing on the pounds lately" ... or "You've now moved into the plus size dresses".

Slender, slim, fit, trim are probably better choices.
We went shopping for work clothes for my wife the other day...

My wife often has trouble buying clothes as she has Polish hips, a narrow waist, and as you work your way up there are slightly more curves than many women.

No-one would ever call her slender or slim.

I use the word in it's traditional sense... my wife knows what I mean.
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We went shopping for work clothes for my wife the other day...

My wife often has trouble buying clothes as she has Polish hips, a narrow waist, and as you work your way up there are slightly more curves than many women.

No-one would ever call her slender or slim.

I use the word in it's traditional sense... my wife knows what I mean.
Just letting you know how it is used in the current sense.
Just suggesting that a more genuinely complimentary term could be found.
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