Originally Posted by Fat Boy
If you're looking to put carbs in your diet (say, for a long ride), there are a lot of options that will provide those same carbs along with a good chunk of other nutrients. Wheat is not a very good source of anything other than calories.
I personally feel that gluten causes a lot of problems that are not necessarily related to celiac, but that's a debatable point, so I don't necessarily want to put that on others. What is an easy thing to see is that there are other better options.
Originally Posted by Fat Boy
I'm actually OK with rice, especially white rice. If you're looking to get some carbs without any 'bad stuff' (anti-nutrients, gut irritants, whatever terminology you want to use) then I think it's a pretty good option. You don't really get any nutrients from rice, so I'd see it more as a side dish.
Anyway, how is someone supposed to eat Chinese food without some rice?
This whole anti nutrient thing with wheat is seriously overblown. Whole wheat does not have detrmiental effects if you eat something else with it. Nor do beans, which contain neuro toxins. Nor does milk, which also detriments the absorbtion of nutrients. If you want to eat "clean" without all the "anti nutrients" you are in a position where you can't actually eat anything (you absolutely cannot eat anything plant based with the whole wheat argument)
We're talking of harmful substances in so small concentrations that even worrying about them is a bit simple. I mean yeah, if you eat white flour or just a certain kind of pea or just drink milk you might face some effects, but seriously, who does that?
Wheat acting as a stomach irritant has not been proven, nor is it actually suggested as a viable possibility (irritable bowl syndrome aside, but IBS can be affected by practically anything and is not limited to just grain products). I get the feeling that mostly bloating and irritable bowel has more to do with abuse of starchy food in general than wheat. I mean, you stuff your face with massive amounts of white bread, rice, pasta etc. and when you stop doing that by "cutting gluten" you suddenly feel better. How is that I wonder...
In fact it has beem shown by science that the coarse fibers in whole wheat (and of course other grains) have beneficial effects on the digestive system. It's funny how the one paleo dude misquoted one study in his book saying the coarse fibers "rip" the intestinal walls and cause added mucal discharge and that is a bad thing. It's true that the fibers do rip the intestine and cause mucus to form, but the actual researcher felt that it was actually a very good thing this happens.
About the whole empty calorie thing. Gels are empty calories, and rice, and white bread etc. You can find a ton of empty calorie sources but whole grains are not one of them. They do actually contain quite good amounts of vitamins and fiber in a tight packed starchy form. I mean, yes, you could eat a few pounds of broccoli on a ride to get the carbs, nutrients and fiber and get the carbs needed, or you could eat a few whole wheat jam sandwiches and get the carbs in a much tighter delicious package. Or gels (although I hate the taste of gels. blech)
Then again Allen Lim suggests that potatoes are good for riding food as they have a high glycemic index and load (as does sweet potato, but sweet potato is a bit more cumbersome to prepare)