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    Senior Member OneLessFixie's Avatar
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    Depends on the kind of doping. Lance Armstrong's favourite method, blood doping, risks death due to excess blood volume and/or blood clots which find their way to the brain or lungs. The risks of steroids are well-documented.

    In this one instance, Nancy Reagan was right: Just say no.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure."

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    I take an herbal preparation that my DR says lowers my T level. I have been on it for a couple of years and it has improved my life quite a bit. I have more patience than ever before and know what the word peace means.

    I am pretty darn slow on a road bike but I have won a lot of amateur DH and BMX races. Being slow sucks and winning races feels good (and often pays well) so for me it's easy to see why people do it. If I was given the choice of losing the peace I now enjoy and winning a couple of big races a year, I would not do it. If you felt good all your life and almost won races you might find it very hard to resist and may even enjoy the feeling of danger and urgency you are left with. Later, you will wish you could buy back the good life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    I think there are two distinct use cases here.

    One is when the person has low endogenous T. This is older guys with ED targeted by men's clinic ads and also Tour pros (multiday stage races probably mess with T levels). Here topical or oral supplements can work to get you back to the level of a healthy, rested 20 year old.

    The other is in otherwise healthy young guys with high endogenous T. They don't have much use for patches and creams because topical supplements are inefficient, expensive, limited in the amount of testosterone they can deliver, and because exogenous T suppresses their own production, partly cancelling the effect. They need to get high doses so that they exceed normal blood concentrations even if their own production is completely shut down.

    With patches we're talking about dosages of 20-50 mg/week for $200+/month. One tenth of the dosage used by bodybuilders, for 2-3 times the price (cheaper if you have insurance, but still pretty outrageous). Gel is in the same neighborhood price- and dosage-wise, it seems.
    Good explanation. There's also a third market for T scripts: anyone over 40. Don't have to have ED. This is what's being marketed on the radio here. It's basically HRT for any male over 40:
    Male Anti-Aging Programs Including Hormone Replacement Therapy

    Sounds tempting, doesn't it? Get back to the energy and recovery you had in your 20s? I even know a woman who wants injections so she'll be more "active." That's what I've been talking about here. I think there are downsides. Many people think there aren't, just upsides. One downside for sure: everyone I ride with would know I've been juicing. Plus the cost, but what's cost in the upper markets today? Nada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    Good explanation. There's also a third market for T scripts: anyone over 40. Don't have to have ED. This is what's being marketed on the radio here. It's basically HRT for any male over 40:
    Male Anti-Aging Programs Including Hormone Replacement Therapy

    Sounds tempting, doesn't it? Get back to the energy and recovery you had in your 20s? I even know a woman who wants injections so she'll be more "active." That's what I've been talking about here. I think there are downsides. Many people think there aren't, just upsides. One downside for sure: everyone I ride with would know I've been juicing. Plus the cost, but what's cost in the upper markets today? Nada.
    I've never been accused of juicing

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    Dopers are cheaters pure and simple.

    A 70 year old who still rides and wants to inject testosterone or stick a patch over his boys, more power to him.

    You make it 70, be happy.....who cares what your doc give you to feel less pain.

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    Outsideonline.com published many articles on this subject, someone sent me this one many years back Drug Test | Fitness - Health and Fitness Advice | OutsideOnline.com - check it out, very interesting reading

    I would guess it is very common now among athletes who can afford this stuff
    Doping in Amateur Cycling | Dropping In | OutsideOnline.com
    What?s It Like to Dope? | Fitness Coach | OutsideOnline.com
    The Power of EPO: Debunking the Flawed 'British Journal' Study | Fitness - Health and Fitness Advice | OutsideOnline.com

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