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    Did 78 miles on low-carb

    Hi, just wanted to share my accomplishment because some people here think that low-carb is extremely unhealthy and inadequate for this sort of cycling (long distance, moderate speed).

    I eat less than 50 grams of carbs per day, moderate protein, and tons of fat (mostly saturated) usually from butter, cheese, coconut oil/milk, palm oil, pork belly, duck fat, olive oil, eggs... I also eat lots of low-carb veggies, really just okra and green beans. I also drink coffee everyday and eat lots of salt (sea, Himalayan, etc).

    Last night I had about 0.75 lbs of grassfed liver with veggies and sour cream. Woke up this morning and took a neon-yellow piss (the B vitamins from the liver) and then had nothing but coffee with some coconut milk and coconut oil. Did 78 miles (my all time record; I'm not an avid cyclist) on 5.83 hours (without eating during it) which is 13.4 avg mph. Single speed bike. This was from Westchester to NYC, by the way (yes, in today's super foggy weather). I will do 100 miles sometime this month.

    Any other low-carb cyclist here? Please share your accomplishment.
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    That's pretty good for a fasted long distance trip in my opinion. Any particular reason you're on a high fat, low carb/protein diet? Just curious

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    I did this Bike Ride Profile | . Diablo #21 - fog, wind and some rain. Most of the way up or down was not able to see much due to foggy glasses 8[]. Made an attempt to ride entire IHT (+50miles) after Diablo but Gramin's battery died at 61st mile . near Danvi (around 70mi with 4K+ fr of climbing) on Gatoraid and water alone.
    Stopped once for coffee thou.
    Just felt good that day - nothing to prove
    I also love high fat & high protein food and on top of that used to drink alcohol (mostly vine) on a daily basis.
    Still the fact is that carbs & carb loading does help if you want to go faster & further (and certainly alcohol is big no-no).

    Some tri athletes do exactly what you've just done - they shift to low carb/high fat diet.
    This is done to force your body metabolism towards fat vs glycogen as amount of glycogen limited while fat is not (not for tri-event anyway).
    It works for some and does not for others.

    Little science is done to prove or disprove this approach but there's nothing special about it.

    Keep in mind that aleuts and eskimo for example consume at least 50% of daily calories from fat, do not consume vegies / fruts at all and very little carbs (probably comparable to your 50gr/day) yet they are quite healthy Eskimo Diet & Heart Disease | LIVESTRONG.COM and I bet most of them can hike those 78miles you rode on your bike

    PS
    Despite my high fat diet my blood tests are very good - I can post them if there's any interest.
    I was never into dieting or anything like that thou so my diet dictated by my taste preferences and nothing else.
    Just so you know where I'm coming from - my favorite snack (was) salo with vodka
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    Local PhD nutritionist and her BF have been on a somewhat similar, low carb diet for the past 6 months and don't have any problem with
    century rides other than the carb heavy snacks typical on sponsored centuries which they avoid, so they eat cashews and drink electrolyte enhanced water.
    She is about 10% body fat and 3 w/kg power, he is 22% body fat but is down about 30# from his weight 4-5 years ago. They are strong enough
    to keep up with the wanna be racer evening/Saturday suffer fest rides even though in their 50s and 60s and generally 10 to 35 years older
    than the typical rider on these rides. Her theory is a metabolic shift toward fatty acids as fuel much sooner than is typical for endurance
    athletes. Their monthly mileage is 600+ to ++
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    Simple fact is that humans can survive & thrive in almost any conditions found on this planet.

    Think about prehistoric hunters - they had to go without food and often water for long time yet were strong enough to kill the prey after those extensive fasting periods.
    No wonder we can do the same even we got much softer over the centuries

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronHorseRiderX View Post
    Simple fact is that humans can survive & thrive in almost any conditions found on this planet.

    Think about prehistoric hunters - they had to go without food and often water for long time yet were strong enough to kill the prey after those extensive fasting periods.
    No wonder we can do the same even we got much softer over the centuries
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    I am more then capable of doing the same thing as you... But I choose not to do that anymore. I have experienced way too much weight loss from low carb diet combined with a lot of cycling.

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    I have found that LCHF goes great with cycling. I usually don't have to eat on any ride less than 50 miles
    and on longer rides just eat salted nuts or cheese.

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    If speed is no issue then by all means. However the fact of the matter is that glycogen is rocket fuel whereas fat is diesel when put simply. Of course in an ironman you want to max the fatburn at travel speed but one needs to remember that ironmen eat constantly on the bike since they are also constantly burning carbs. When you run out you are done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivroar View Post
    Hi, just wanted to share my accomplishment because some people here think that low-carb is extremely unhealthy and inadequate for this sort of cycling (long distance, moderate speed).
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    It's not the low-carbs that make it unhealthy -- it is the stuff you eat instead of the carbs that promote heart disease and cancers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    It's not the low-carbs that make it unhealthy -- it is the stuff you eat instead of the carbs that promote heart disease and cancers...
    Ridiculous that people still believe that saturated fat and cholesterol are unhealthy. It amazes me.
    Even the mainstream media these days are slowly accepting that the whole low-fat thing was based on extremely flawed research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivroar View Post
    Ridiculous that people still believe that saturated fat and cholesterol are unhealthy. It amazes me.
    Even the mainstream media these days are slowly accepting that the whole low-fat thing was based on extremely flawed research.
    Start citing again, please. I don't see this in mainstream media at all. What I see in mainstream media are reports on people who have tried what you proclaim, but are unable to sustain it and move on to the one and only regimen that works -- a balanced diet and reduced consumption.

    I also take to task you claim in your very first sentence in your thread-starter:

    ... some people here think that low-carb is extremely unhealthy and inadequate for this sort of cycling (long distance, moderate speed).

    I don't recall anyone saying that it is extremely unhealthy, but what they, and I, do say is that it could have effects at a later time in life that you and the other proponents don't seem to want to consider. In many ways, you and your LCHF friends are just substituting one comparatively unhealthy regimen of eating with another.

    I don't recall you stating why you decided to follow the LCHF trend. Perhaps it's a good time to refresh my memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    Start citing again, please. I don't see this in mainstream media at all. What I see in mainstream media are reports on people who have tried what you proclaim, but are unable to sustain it and move on to the one and only regimen that works -- a balanced diet and reduced consumption.

    I also take to task you claim in your very first sentence in your thread-starter:

    ... some people here think that low-carb is extremely unhealthy and inadequate for this sort of cycling (long distance, moderate speed).

    I don't recall anyone saying that it is extremely unhealthy, but what they, and I, do say is that it could have effects at a later time in life that you and the other proponents don't seem to want to consider. In many ways, you and your LCHF friends are just substituting one comparatively unhealthy regimen of eating with another.

    I don't recall you stating why you decided to follow the LCHF trend. Perhaps it's a good time to refresh my memory.
    Why reduced regimen? I'm not trying to lose weight. I do low carb because after 5 years I'm convinced that it's the most ideal way of eating.

    "Balanced diet" doesn't mean anything; what's balanced for me is not what you believe is balanced for you.

    And this page often links articles from mainstream media sources regarding the topic: https://www.facebook.com/westonaprice?fref=ts

    I'm not here to debate this, I only asked other low-carbers to post their accomplishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivroar View Post
    Ridiculous that people still believe that saturated fat and cholesterol are unhealthy. It amazes me.
    Even the mainstream media these days are slowly accepting that the whole low-fat thing was based on extremely flawed research.
    You are gonna die....Start 100 mile rides.
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    I'm not so much 'low carb', but I gave up wheat and grains. I haven't noticed any difference for cycling, aside from not bonking anymore, and all my food related cravings disappeared. 100+ miles has not been an issue. Will be doing some real long distance at the end of June, we'll see how it goes then

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
    You are gonna die....Start 100 mile rides.
    Well, since I did ~80 miles with no breakfast and no food during the ride, I see no reason why I wouldn't be able to do 100 miles. Maybe this Friday, since it might be foggy again, and I found out I love cycling in foggy weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivroar View Post
    Why reduced regimen? I'm not trying to lose weight. I do low carb because after 5 years I'm convinced that it's the most ideal way of eating.

    "Balanced diet" doesn't mean anything; what's balanced for me is not what you believe is balanced for you.

    And this page often links articles from mainstream media sources regarding the topic: https://www.facebook.com/westonaprice?fref=ts

    I'm not here to debate this, I only asked other low-carbers to post their accomplishments.
    If you do not want debate, then you should move these posts to your own Paleo thread where debate and lack of agreement has been outlawed.

    Rowan raised valid points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    If you do not want debate, then you should move these posts to your own Paleo thread where debate and lack of agreement has been outlawed.

    Rowan raised valid points.
    I have already replied to his post in full and debated this topic extensively in the other thread, which consequently got closed. Furthermore, none of you have shown me any valid argument against low-carb, only your close-minded opinions and personal attacks. So please stop posting in this thread if this is what you're looking for, again.

    Your statement, for example, has absolutely zero scientific basis, only mindless belief in what you've been told by mainstream nutritionists.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    It's not the low-carbs that make it unhealthy -- it is the stuff you eat instead of the carbs that promote heart disease and cancers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivroar View Post
    I have already replied to his post in full and debated this topic extensively in the other thread, which consequently got closed. Furthermore, none of you have shown me any valid argument against low-carb, only your close-minded opinions and personal attacks. So please stop posting in this thread if this is what you're looking for, again.

    Your statement, for example, has absolutely zero scientific basis, only mindless belief in what you've been told by mainstream nutritionists.

    The Low Carb/Paleo Wierdos thread is alive and well and disagreement is prohibited in that thread.

    When you post your Paleo propaganda in other threads, expect disagreement from those who do not agree with your statements, allegations and sales pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivroar View Post
    Any other low-carb cyclist here? Please share your accomplishment.
    I have ridden similar distances while practicing LCHF and even managed to slaughter folks who were 20 years my junior in sprints over 5km - 10km and century rides of 7 hours have not been difficult and at the end I still have lots of pep.

    LCHF is really best suited for endurance and long distance cycling... to maintain extremely high outputs you will have to run on higher test fuel (glycogen) and for higher intensity rides I do add a few home made power bars for that extra boost which are still pretty low carb but do contain honey.

    I will be trying coconut cream as a substitute as it is high in MCT's which are rocket fuel for low carb eaters and it comes in a solid bar so it is packable.

    It should not be unexpected or even a surprise that folks will chime in and tell you that a LCHF diet will cause cancer and heart disease although it is almost impossible for cancer to flourish without sugar as cancer cells cannot use ketones, the exception to this is thyroid cancer which is why it is so difficult to treat because you cannot live without iodine.

    Heart disease is caused by vascular inflammation which is caused by... sugar.

    I limit my carb intake to < 100 grams per day and these come from green vegetables, I don;t pound back as much bacon as people think and usually have that once a week while I will probably have some of that liver or other high cholesterol organ meat twice per week and yet, my lipid panels are great.

    I don't limit salt and actually eat more than many people... blood pressure is usually 105/70 and I have a resting pulse in the high 50's.

    Check into the Paleo Weirdos thread... there you will find like minded folks who are not prone to spreading misinformation about the perils of higher fat diets and continue to promote the cholesterol myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    The Low Carb/Paleo Wierdos thread is alive and well and disagreement is prohibited in that thread.

    When you post your Paleo propaganda in other threads, expect disagreement from those who do not agree with your statements, allegations and sales pitch.
    Again, all you're doing is insulting others and providing no reason whatsoever for your disagreement. I already made it clear enough that this is not another LC vs HC discussion, and for your info, LC does not necessarily mean paleo. I eat tons of dairy which paleo, in theory, forbids. So please stop posting here before you get this thread closed as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    LCHF is really best suited for endurance and long distance cycling... to maintain extremely high outputs you will have to run on higher test fuel (glycogen) and for higher intensity rides I do add a few home made power bars for that extra boost which are still pretty low carb but do contain honey.
    Yeah, this is the only disadvantage of low-carb. Anaerobic exercise (strength, speed, power) does require glycogen, but 15 mph average for 100+ miles is well within the aerobic range (endurance). For endurance training, LC has the advantage that body fat energy stores are much greater than glycogen stores, which means no bonking (assuming you're well adapted to burning primarily fat), even for inexperienced riders like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    Says who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnivroar View Post
    LC has the advantage that body fat energy stores are much greater than glycogen stores, which means no bonking (assuming you're well adapted to burning primarily fat), even for inexperienced riders like me.
    That works equally well for those of us eating carbs. Your glycogen use is related to exercise intensity. Go harder and you'll burn more glycogen. I can ride 100 miles with no food provided the pace is low to moderate.

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