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    Soy Milk

    I recently bought some chocolate soy milk. I am lactose when it comes to milk, just like my paw is! I bought the great value brand (walmart brand) and I love the taste and it doesn't give me....the things my lactose gives me so anyways, I heard it can be bad since I am a male... any truth to that? It has to be better for than regular milk don't it?
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    Not sure if trolling or not, but I am not a fan of soy, but people react differently. Try almond milk

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    Soy is supposed to have a weak estrogen-like effect. I don't think it's a problem for males unless you eat a LOT of it. I have some soy milk on my cereal every day (usually two bowls of cereal, actually) & haven't noticed any negative effects. I'm also lactose intolerant, and yes, the consequences of that can be... unpleasant.

    The cheapest reasonably-good tasting soy milk I have found is the Kirkland brand from Costco, sold by the case. It claims to be organic and only has ingredients that one would recognize. It isn't one of the varieties that pretends to be like milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reef58 View Post
    Not sure if trolling or not, but I am not a fan of soy, but people react differently. Try almond milk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spld cyclist View Post
    Soy is supposed to have a weak estrogen-like effect. I don't think it's a problem for males unless you eat a LOT of it. I have some soy milk on my cereal every day (usually two bowls of cereal, actually) & haven't noticed any negative effects. I'm also lactose intolerant, and yes, the consequences of that can be... unpleasant.

    The cheapest reasonably-good tasting soy milk I have found is the Kirkland brand from Costco, sold by the case. It claims to be organic and only has ingredients that one would recognize. It isn't one of the varieties that pretends to be like milk.
    Thanks for the advice! I like buying things by the case I'm not sure if we have a costco round here but we do have a sams club and I am sure they got it...in bulk at that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Gossman View Post
    I recently bought some chocolate soy milk. I am lactose when it comes to milk, just like my paw is! I bought the great value brand (walmart brand) and I love the taste and it doesn't give me....the things my lactose gives me so anyways, I heard it can be bad since I am a male... any truth to that? It has to be better for than regular milk don't it?
    The soy estrogen thing is crap, or at least grossly overstated and misunderstood. I added 25 lbs of muscle while having a few servings of soy protein every day. This doesn't mean it's a good way to increase testosterone, but it is a low fat source of protein, and for me it completely debunks the unproven theory that men will suddenly start growing breasts just because of eating soy products. Granted it's not as good as milk or eggs for testosterone levels, but it's also not going to turn you into a female when ingested in reasonable amounts. Don't forget that many studies have noted tangible benefits from soy, including extending your life, lowered risk of heart disease and certain cancers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Gossman View Post
    I recently bought some chocolate soy milk. I am lactose intolerant when it comes to milk, just like my Pa! I bought the great value brand (walmart brand) and I love the taste and it doesn't give me....the things lactose intolerance gives me so anyway, I heard it can be bad since I am a male... any truth to that? It has to be better than regular milk, doesn't it?
    FIFY. You are not lactose. Just sayin... Haven't been riding and getting pissy. Nothing better to do than go around sticking my knose in other's grammer.
    "Of course you eat too much" (Looigi) There are things people say that are so true you can never forget the wisdom. I still eat too much. Without denial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadTire View Post
    FIFY. You are not lactose. Just sayin... Haven't been riding and getting pissy. Nothing better to do than go around sticking my knose in other's grammer.
    I'm a Master degree student, I gotta be all grammar'd up and professional when I am doing that so I cut loose when I am not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Gossman View Post
    I'm a Master degree student, I gotta be all grammar'd up and professional when I am doing that so I cut loose when I am not
    Somehow I just knew this was going to come back and bite me. No wonder my boss keeps telling me not to "kick the beehive," when I make cracks to his boss.



    Now don't be going after my punctuation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadTire View Post
    Somehow I just knew this was going to come back and bite me. No wonder my boss keeps telling me not to "kick the beehive," when I make cracks to his boss.



    Now don't be going after my punctuation.
    I don't go after anyone! I'm the type that would bear hug a stranger before I pick a fight with someone who curses at me!
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    If you can't tolerate lactose, then yes it is better for you than regular milk. About a zillion babies have been raised on it with no ill effects. The estrogen thing is BS, based on a faulty understanding of the science. There are no proven bad effects.
    Effect of Soymilk Consumption on Serum Estrogen and Androgen Concentrations in Japanese Men

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    FWIW: Almond milk is good but it has a much lower level of protein compared to soy milk; ~1gm/cup compared to 8gm/cup for soy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
    About a zillion babies have been raised on it with no ill effects.
    Yeah that's right...That's why we have a generation of soft feminine weaklings who need to pop pills and get testestorone injections, and our healthcare system is under so much pressure...I am not sure what you're trying to say, but if you're saying that soy baby formulas are better then breastmilk or even regular milk then you're wrong...Breast milk has a lot of valuable substances in perfect ratios...Soy milk is only good for one thing: to be poured down the drain or flushed down the toilet...Modern men have a much much lower testosterone levels then their forefathers, and I attribute that to the type of food they are raised on as babies and children...You can not build a house when the foundation is weak. Human body is the same. The type of food people eat as babies and children will determine their outcome as adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    Yeah that's right...That's why we have a generation of soft feminine weaklings who need to pop pills and get testestorone injections, and our healthcare system is under so much pressure...I am not sure what you're trying to say, but if you're saying that soy baby formulas are better then breastmilk or even regular milk then you're wrong...Breast milk has a lot of valuable substances in perfect ratios...Soy milk is only good for one thing: to be poured down the drain or flushed down the toilet...Modern men have a much much lower testosterone levels then their forefathers, and I attribute that to the type of food they are raised on as babies and children...You can not build a house when the foundation is weak. Human body is the same. The type of food people eat as babies and children will determine their outcome as adults.
    Relax and find some other scapegoat to explain why the world has been ruined. Babies are only given soy formula if they are allergic to regular milk or can't tolerate it for other reasons. That's a pretty small fraction of the total number of babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spld cyclist View Post
    Relax and find some other scapegoat to explain why the world has been ruined. Babies are only given soy formula if they are allergic to regular milk or can't tolerate it for other reasons. That's a pretty small fraction of the total number of babies.
    Majority of babies in the last 2 generations has been fed soy formulas, because it seems that breastfeeding has become " too old fashioned ", unpopular, inconvenient, even politically incorrect....No, soy formulas are not a good substitute for real milk, never was and never will be...Lactose intolerance is usually developed after weaning and not at birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spld cyclist View Post
    Relax and find some other scapegoat to explain why the world has been ruined. Babies are only given soy formula if they are allergic to regular milk or can't tolerate it for other reasons. That's a pretty small fraction of the total number of babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    Majority of babies in the last 2 generations has been fed soy formulas, because it seems that breastfeeding has become " too old fashioned ", unpopular, inconvenient, even politically incorrect....No, soy formulas are not a good substitute for real milk, never was and never will be...Lactose intolerance is usually developed after weaning and not at birth.
    From what I'm seeing online, 20 - 25% of babies are given soy formula in the US. That's more than I would have expected, but certainly not the majority. Most baby formula is cows milk-based. I agree that breastfeeding is best, but using a cows milk or soy-based formula typically isn't a problem unless a baby has an allergy to cows milk or soy.

    You should be aware that lactose intolerance and milk allergies are totally different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Gossman View Post
    I recently bought some chocolate soy milk. I am lactose when it comes to milk, just like my paw is! I bought the great value brand (walmart brand) and I love the taste and it doesn't give me....the things my lactose gives me so anyways, I heard it can be bad since I am a male... any truth to that? It has to be better for than regular milk don't it?
    See if you can handle kefir. It tends to be quite low in lactose, if it has any at all. My lactose intolerant fiance handles my homemade kefir perfectly, though the taste puts her off.

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    The thing about soy milk I can't appreciate is the sugar added. The annoyingly sweet taste aside, sugar additives are just unnecessary & unhealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspclouseau View Post
    The thing about soy milk I can't appreciate is the sugar added. The annoyingly sweet taste aside, sugar additives are just unnecessary & unhealthy.
    Yes, that is a down-side to soy milk. I'd use it a lot more if it weren't for the sugar and high calorie count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspclouseau View Post
    The thing about soy milk I can't appreciate is the sugar added. The annoyingly sweet taste aside, sugar additives are just unnecessary & unhealthy.
    Then buy the unsweetened variety. It's healthy, but it tastes like soy milk.

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    BTW, I drink 2 cups a day of the sweetened, vanilla flavor. Along with the whole grains I eat it with, it provides 25 grams of "complete" proteins without all the bad stuff you get from cow's milk. Yes, the added processing is not good, but it makes it palatable and its still far more healthy than the alternative (IMHO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeBMac View Post
    Then buy the unsweetened variety. It's healthy, but it tastes like soy milk.

    edit to add:
    BTW, I drink 2 cups a day of the sweetened, vanilla flavor. Along with the whole grains I eat it with, it provides 25 grams of "complete" proteins without all the bad stuff you get from cow's milk. Yes, the added processing is not good, but it makes it palatable and its still far more healthy than the alternative (IMHO).
    I look for unsweetened variety, but I don't find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspclouseau View Post
    The thing about soy milk I can't appreciate is the sugar added. The annoyingly sweet taste aside, sugar additives are just unnecessary & unhealthy.
    Then you can add in the fact that almost all of the soy in the US is genetically modified.
    I'd prefer to not say "it's okay to screw with my food" by giving those companies money. Just my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    Then you can add in the fact that almost all of the soy in the US is genetically modified.
    I'd prefer to not say "it's okay to screw with my food" by giving those companies money. Just my .02
    & lawd help you if one of those patented GMO'd soy beans lands in your back yard and germinates. Monsanto will be there with a bus full of lawyers, noose in hand.

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    Back in my soymilk days I actually LIKED the unsweetened type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    Then you can add in the fact that almost all of the soy in the US is genetically modified.
    I'd prefer to not say "it's okay to screw with my food" by giving those companies money. Just my .02
    I buy the organic soy milk. Where I shop it's about the same price as the non-organic.
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