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    Why not to use nutritions for bodybuilders?

    I have a friend bodybuilder who asked me why all cyclists buy very expensive cycle nutrition instead of bodybuilder nutrition?

    I've looked up at the composition of bodybuilder's nutrition and it looks very similar, but its significally cheaper (comparing famous brands from cycler's nutrition and builder's nutrition).

    For example, he asked - why not cyclists use gainer powder. One portion (330g of powder) contains 1250 kcal, and it's easy to mix. The same with whey protein powder - it's cheaper from brands for builders.

    I thought, that may be there is "moving" factor - cyclist is always in dynamics, and nutrition drinks are "lighter" (usually bodybuilder's powder are mixed in milk, but it requires you visiting toilet more often)

    So, why not to use nutrition for bodybuilders? I need to explain to my friend

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    What on earth is cycling nutrition? Never heard of it.

    I drink chocolate milk. That should not be that expensive but I might be wrong

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    I'm hardly an expert on nutrition, but I would observe that the ultimate goals of a bodybuilder are pretty different than a cyclist. The goals of a powerlifter vs. cyclist (sprinter anyway) do bear some similarities (and maybe bodybuilder and powerlifter supplements are similar).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryCinnabar View Post
    So, why not to use nutrition for bodybuilders? I need to explain to my friend
    Why ??...Because bodybuilding is a different sport form cycling and gaining a lot of mass and building big muscles is not a goal of most cyclists. Bodybuilding supplements are overpriced just like all other supplements...Personally I went back to using protein powders and creatine because I am very busy and I have increased the volume and intensity of my strength training workouts and I find protein shakes and creatine very convenient when I am on the go and have no time to eat real food...My drink of choice for post-workout is 1% partly skimmed milk mixed with some sweetened cocoa...The prices of protein powders and creatine have increased a lot in the past few years. The cheapest whey protein around my area is about $ 30 dollars for less then 2 pounds of powder. Soy protein isolate is about $ 25 dollars for 900 grams, its not cheap.

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    You don't really need all the powdered this and that which body builders use. Just eat a good variety of real food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryCinnabar View Post
    I have a friend bodybuilder who asked me why all cyclists buy very expensive cycle nutrition instead of bodybuilder nutrition?
    I am sure some cyclists somewhere use some of the "high energy" products. I've tried them myself out of curiosity... and why not. But keep in mind that the "mixes" and candies... packaged as sports products... are mostly just bogus. Although well marketed..... mostly to young people with no idea of how or means to feed themselves properly.

    Whey powders and energy foods and drinks may be a great way to nurse yourself into an eating disorder. But they won't make you better, healthier, stronger, or faster. Unless of course broker faster counts as faster.

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    I usually keep protein powder, BCAAs and creatine and mix them after hard workouts.

    Re: gainer powder, that's an interesting question. I googled gainer powder and came up with a listing for "Optimum Serious Mass", which seems to be maltodextrin based and similar in composition to Hammer Perpetuem but goes for 1/2 to 1/3 the price per calorie. There are some important differences though. The one I found is somewhat higher in protein to carb ratio than Perpetuem, and the electrolyte content is all wrong (it's very low on sodium and high on potassium). Which basically goes towards the answer to the question. I may or may not be able to use gainer powder in place of Perpetuem, I don't know, but I do know that it was not formulated with the purpose to replenish electrolyte loss from sweating while biking. It's sheer luck it has any electrolytes at all.

    Soy protein isolate is about $ 25 dollars for 900 grams, its not cheap.
    In my local farmers market / produce store, bulk whey protein is $12/pound, bulk soy protein is $7/pound. A few months ago I snagged a few cans of "bariatric support powder" on clearance for something like $4/pound, they apparently went into clearance because no one before me stopped to look at the ingredients and realized that it was nearly pure whey protein.

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    It's just marketing gimmicks. Just eat healthy. There is no difference between BB nutrition and Cycling nutrition supplements. Unless you count blood doping right? (Jokes, dont shoot.)

    Get your proteins from meats, vitamins / fiber from veggies. The only thing that I can see that would vary greatly is the amount of carb consumption to help maintain sugar levels. But honestly, just eat healthy and you will be fine. The only thing I would ever buy is 100% whey protein powder as a supplement to not having time to cook or eat in the morning / during the day. Protein + banana or some fruit will give you a decent amount of energy until you can grab lunch or something.

    Don't buy the "high energy" products, it's just marketing doo doo and more often than not, filled with high amounts of sugar. Simple example of how foods works below.

    Protein = 4 Calories / Gram
    Carbs = 4 Calories / Gram
    Fats = 9 Calories / Gram
    3500 Calories = 1 lb gain / loss
    If you eat ~1500 - 2400 calories / day you are pretty much maintaining with a bit of weight gain depending on activity level and how high or low you are on that spectrum.
    Anything above 2200 calories for an average person is considered "bulking".

    My suggestion if you are looking to modify your diet is to count calories and add them up. You will know how much energy you put into your body and then just adjust. If you want to lose weight, drop the calories or increase your activity level. **Dropping calories does not mean eating less**. You can eat more and still consume less calories than you did previously. This is accomplished by making healthier eating choices. Ie; pizza vs. chicken breast & quinoa. Take advice with grain of salt, there is only so much you can drop and so much you can add in terms of calories vs activity level.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryCinnabar View Post
    So, why not to use nutrition for bodybuilders? I need to explain to my friend
    Because cyclists, for whatever reason, are willing to pay more for the same products. For strength athletes these products are commodities, but as you get into other sports there is a lot more marketing involved to convince the buyer that they need the product in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    Why ??...Because bodybuilding is a different sport form cycling and gaining a lot of mass and building big muscles is not a goal of most cyclists. Bodybuilding supplements are overpriced just like all other supplements...Personally I went back to using protein powders and creatine because I am very busy and I have increased the volume and intensity of my strength training workouts and I find protein shakes and creatine very convenient when I am on the go and have no time to eat real food...My drink of choice for post-workout is 1% partly skimmed milk mixed with some sweetened cocoa...The prices of protein powders and creatine have increased a lot in the past few years. The cheapest whey protein around my area is about $ 30 dollars for less then 2 pounds of powder. Soy protein isolate is about $ 25 dollars for 900 grams, its not cheap.
    Check out TrueNutrition.

    M.

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    I wasn't aware of Optimum Serious Mass. That does look pretty much perfect for on-bike fuel. I'd use it, except that what I'm doing now is even cheaper: buying maltodextrin in 50# bags (~$1.50/lb.) from a homebrew supplier, and Optimum flavored whey protein in 10 lbs bags (~$10/lb.), and mixing them 7:1.

    Serious Mass is ~$3.70/lb., so my mix is a little cheaper. No vitamins or minerals in my stuff, but I prefer to keep all that stuff separate.

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    Mixing Perpeteum with cheap protein powder 1:1... seems to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEversbergII View Post
    Check out TrueNutrition.

    M.
    Thanks, I'll check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
    Thanks, I'll check them out.
    I've used their "cold filtered" whey powder - it's legit. They used to have considerable options where you could build your own powder mix with just about anything (supplements, flavors, etc) but it is much toned down now. Bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEversbergII View Post
    Check out TrueNutrition.
    Oat starch, cocoa, no sugar, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEversbergII View Post
    I've used their "cold filtered" whey powder - it's legit. They used to have considerable options where you could build your own powder mix with just about anything (supplements, flavors, etc) but it is much toned down now. Bummer.

    M.
    I'll have to visit a few supplement stores and health food stores in my city to see if they have this product.

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    I'm pretty sure it's all online, unfortunately. I got mine off their site; no hassles.

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    Only thing that sucks about TrueNutrition is that you have to order 10lbs to offset the minimum shipping charge.

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    Don't think I had that issue when I last ordered o.O

    But that was months ago...

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    Most cyclists have very little muscle mass and fuel on carbs. Bodybuilders absolutely need a lot of protein to maintain and gain muscle mass and strength.

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    I get my nutrition from real food. Works for me
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    Re: Serious Mass

    Looks like you really need to buy it online to get that $3.70/lb. Our local GNC only has two types of gainers (that I could find), Serious Mass for $45 for 6 lbs ($7.50/lb - might as well buy Perpetuem), and one other that was even more expensive.

    $1.50/lb maltodextrin would make a super cheap mix, but then the question becomes, what to do with 50 lbs of maltodextrin?

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    I use a few "bodybuilding" supplements to help my recovery.

    Usually I take some whey protein, creatine, and some type of stimulant before workouts.

    Between lifting in the gym, commuting often, and weekend beer rides with friends, recovery becomes an issue and I can't always eat enough food to maintain the little bit of muscle I've earned from weight training. Supplements help a lot in that aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    Because cyclists, for whatever reason, are willing to pay more for the same products. For strength athletes these products are commodities, but as you get into other sports there is a lot more marketing involved to convince the buyer that they need the product in the first place.
    It's because cyclists and endurance athletes tend to be more well-heeled folks and the majority of rec body builders are high school or college kids. Cycling is a yuppie sport, yuppies have money, companies like money

    My favorite supplement brand is Musclepharm but I don't use much. Just a protein powder.
    "It is not the critic who counts."

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    Quote Originally Posted by EthanYQX View Post
    Cycling is a yuppie sport, yuppies have money, companies like money
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    I can agree there.

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