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Old 04-03-05, 07:20 AM   #1
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Question about Trans-Fatty Acids

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I know another name for Trans-Fatty Acids is 'Hydrogenated' or 'Partially Hydrogenated' oils. I was wondering if this also applies to 'Partially Hygrogenated SOYBEAN' Oil? I hear and read a lot of benefits to Soybeans but I wasn't sure what to think of 'Partially Hygrogenated SOYBEAN' ???

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Yes it does apply to Soybean also. All vegetable oils (olive, canola, soy, etc) normally will go rancid in liquid form. The process of hydrogention heats the oil to some incredibly high temperature, causing a molecular change. The result of this process is that it keeps the oil from spoiling, which is why it's so prevelent in processed foods. A package of cookies or potato chips can sit in a vending machine for years without spoiling. Unfortunately, this hydrogenation process is what makes the oil very very bad for us.
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What he ^ said. Stay far away from anything hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated. Also, you might want to read up on soy products before assuming they are healthy.
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Donít believe all you hear about soy beans. The hype is pretty large from the growers and manufactures. There health problems starting to show up from all the soy Americans eat now. No other country eats it like we do.
All of the plant estrogen may be causing early puberty in female children.
Itís typical how things are made to look healthy when the only health they produce are the healthy profits for the corporations that sell/make them.
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I think early puberty is more caused by the hormones in meat than in soy. Vegetarian kids on soy diets don't seem to have the same early (puberty-related) developmental problems as meat eating children.

I still eat meat, though.

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Umm, Steve?
Japanese eat lots of soy, and live halfway to forever. Second, we don't eat all that much. Sounds like there is hype, and you ate it.
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Of interest to cyclists--soy protein promotes muscle growth (like whey) and it has anti-inflammatory effects that might improve muscle recovery after a workout.
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http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....cle=302poison2
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/tragedy.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/isoflavones.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodm...2291%2C00.html
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
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Hi,
If I was an infant of breat feeding age, I'd be worried. There MIGHT be a concern for vegetarians who eat American style but get most of their protein from soy.

Most people should just get a chuckle from it. Look, you rip apart a piece of freaking brocoli and you are going to find cancer causing poisons that the plant manufactured to defend itself.
Your body can handle it.

Let's approach the subject a little differently. Ever hear of a movie called Supersize Me? A guy eats nothing but McDonalds food for a month and his health detoriates horribly. The big risk factors are well known, overeating, saturated fats, drugs (alcohol being the Number One problem, no worries, Mate?).

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There's a bazillion references to studies on cholesteroal and saturated fats in these articles:
http://www.theomnivore.com/Saturated...olesterol.html

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Most people should just get a chuckle from it. .
nothing personal, but it kinda bemuses that unqualified people readily dismiss articles written, and studies conducted by qualified dudes with a gazillion letters after their names.

Are you a doctor or a dietician?


Yes, soy seems to be a problem for vegans and vegies who might use soy as a staple.

On the Chinese thing, if you read all those links I posted, you'd see that Asian populations don't eat as much soy as we've been led to believe, and they tend to eat fermented soy.

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Hi,
If I was an infant of breat feeding age, I'd be worried. There MIGHT be a concern for vegetarians who eat American style but get most of their protein from soy.

Most people should just get a chuckle from it. Look, you rip apart a piece of freaking brocoli and you are going to find cancer causing poisons that the plant manufactured to defend itself.
Your body can handle it.

Let's approach the subject a little differently. Ever hear of a movie called Supersize Me? A guy eats nothing but McDonalds food for a month and his health detoriates horribly. The big risk factors are well known, overeating, saturated fats, drugs (alcohol being the Number One problem, no worries, Mate?).
No I'm certainly not going to worry, I'm off soy (never was a fan). I just don't won't eat/drink/sniff/or take it intravenously.
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