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    I have to wear a shirt?!? (and race recap)

    So there I was, at my first tri of this millenium. Did all the normal pre-race stuff, surveyed the swim - noticed it had to be waaaay short of 1500m, even with two laps. I was truly liking that part of it. Swam my first-ever ocean swim in a semi-protected harbor getting not too bad 2-3 ft swells and somehow keeping up with a lot more people than I used to. Ran around the buoy to begin lap two of the swim and noticed my time was 10:40 - sweet, the swim is short after all! Finished the swim in 22:xx (normally 30:xx). Then go to T1, no problems there, push the bike to the mount area, and then "STOPU, STOPU, STOPU! SINGRET! (there are no L's in Japan). SINGRET!!! I couldn't believe it. The race official is pointing at my bare chest and telling me "not arrowed." Great, so I have to go back to my spot, put on the thick cotton T-shirt that I was going to wear home for the rest of the race. First I have to take off my helmet though. So then I get to start my bike whatever amount later it is. Bike was tough with long hills into the wind. Then my chain was not really aligned with my casette - I either did not verify it was set up properly or else caused a misadjustment when I left my bike in the bushes while getting my shirt. Luckily I remembered that bar-end shifters have friction mode. That seriously saved me from a very herky-jerky and noisy bike ride! Bike ended up being 1:17 (19 mph - obviously hampered by the wind resistance of my high-technology shirt ). I was looking forward to the run but I seriously gave up when I realized just how hot I was and that I needed to make up three minutes on my friend. I actually caught him with about 250m left, and thought I had him until he beat me by 6 inches to the line. Turns out he had been "penalized" for stuff like I did so I coudn't even claim that! Run was 47:xx 10k - my worst ever by at least 7 minutes. Total time 2:35 for Olympic distance - which I'm overall satisfied with but it should have been more like 2:40 with the swim The shirt thing really got to me though and I'm wondering if you guys think that's a rule only in Japan? I never wore one before this race. I still had a lot of fun and look forward to more of it. H2O chick, I'll be looking for you when I get back to Seattle next winter!
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    A perusal of USAT rules lists a requirement for helmet usage, and some prohibitions on things you may not use (fins, fairings, etc.) in the race, but nothing about required pieces of clothing. Is there a Japanese equivalent to USAT with it's own rules, or rules specific to that race that may be relevant here?

    In the 7 tris I have done in part or whole over the last 3 years, I don't think I've ever seen someone go out on the bike without a top on, so I'm not sure what would happen if they did.

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    Yes, there is the Japanese Triathlon Union, but I would not be able to read any rulebook they had even if there was one.

    I just don't get the point of the shirt. Women don't wear shirts, they just have whatever their swimsuit covers. It must be some kind of modesty issue; I can't imagine what protection a skimpy top would give in a crash, especially when many people still wear speedos (over here anyway). I'm surprised that you've never seen anyone without a shirt... maybe I'm the only freak that would like to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sestivers
    Yes, there is the Japanese Triathlon Union, but I would not be able to read any rulebook they had even if there was one.

    I just don't get the point of the shirt. Women don't wear shirts, they just have whatever their swimsuit covers. It must be some kind of modesty issue; I can't imagine what protection a skimpy top would give in a crash, especially when many people still wear speedos (over here anyway). I'm surprised that you've never seen anyone without a shirt... maybe I'm the only freak that would like to do this.
    Please excuse my boldness when I say that he was probably worried about you causing a crash as you passed the male riders and they got distracted when checking you out as you flew by. For my GF, I would have phrased it a little different (darlin, you can't help it that you are HOT!), but since we are strangers I opted for what is hopefully a more well-mannered statement.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    I'm pretty sure that ITU requires a top.

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    It is called the torso rule. I dont know were to look it up, but it is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    he was probably worried about you causing a crash as you passed the male riders and they got distracted when checking you out as you flew by.

    ...well, since I'm pretty sure that Steve is a dude...I'm not sure that this is the case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisesposito
    In the 7 tris I have done in part or whole over the last 3 years, I don't think I've ever seen someone go out on the bike without a top on,
    ...When July and August hit here in Texas there are pleanty of folks that don't ride or run with tops...me typically being one of them...

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    Yay! Another Seattle-ite. Chris, we're going to have to organize a ride of the BF'ers that live in the area...

    Congrats on the finish. And really, what's a tri without a good story to tell? There HAS to be something, doesn't there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattyc57
    ...well, since I'm pretty sure that Steve is a dude...I'm not sure that this is the case...
    Doh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ^*^BATMAN^*^
    It is called the torso rule. I dont know were to look it up, but it is there.
    ITU rules, from http://www.triathlon.org/?call=TVRRNA==&keep=sh

    E CYCLING CONDUCT
    E.1 General Rules
    A competitor is not permitted to:
    a) Block others;
    b) Cycle while their bare torso is exposed;
    c) Make forward progress without the bicycle;

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    Quote Originally Posted by H2OChick
    Yay! Another Seattle-ite. Chris, we're going to have to organize a ride of the BF'ers that live in the area...

    Congrats on the finish. And really, what's a tri without a good story to tell? There HAS to be something, doesn't there?
    A BF ride sounds good to me. Ride from Starbucks to Starbucks, having a shot of espresso at each one. We'd run out of daylight before we ran out of energy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisesposito
    ITU rules, from http://www.triathlon.org/?call=TVRRNA==&keep=sh

    E CYCLING CONDUCT
    E.1 General Rules
    A competitor is not permitted to:
    a) Block others;
    b) Cycle while their bare torso is exposed;
    c) Make forward progress without the bicycle;
    Doh! So maybe I could have shed the 2 kg of soaked cotton for the run only?! Oh well. Now I know better.

    Chris/H2O chick - I won't be back in Seattle until winter a year from now... but since I've never met anyone who wanted to leave Seattle then you'll probably still be there.

    chip - I probably confused you by using my wife's pic for my avatar...
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    On the Multirace series down here in Fl I think 20% wear a shirt, the rest are all bare, no ITU on this local scene...
    Don't understand it anyway, why would you be required to wear a top, what difference can it make???

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    Here in Ontario, the swim in the only part you are allowed to go no top on.
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    I have only done one or two races without a top but the rule doesn't make sense to me either. Trying to put on a top while you are tired, in a hurry and with your torso still wet can be quite frustrating. My shirt is typically still partially rolled up by the time I am running out of T1.

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    I should probably wear a top... LOL

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    it varies from race to race, shorter distances you don't need a shirt, unless the race gets writes it into their particular rules.
    Ironman has a shirt rule.

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    Hee hee. That's a good idea. What I see most of the "elite" men wearing is not really any more than a women's sports bra, I wonder what they'd say if I wore something of my wife's.

    Or what if I wore my HRM strap over my nipples? Maybe it would be more acceptible if I made a curtain of fabric (wicking of course) that wrapped around the bottom of it?
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