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Old 12-09-05, 01:09 AM   #1
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Is the olympics a reasonable goal?

Well I was wondering, since Kona is such an intense mental and phyiscal breaking thing, what about the olympics? Is that a reasonable goal? If so how would I go about even starting to qualify? I know with track it was national, and other big races (I wish I had kept racing track)
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Well, I can only speak for Canada. Though I will assume it is close to the same. Just work your a$$ off and get really fast. Race locally, untill you are winning most every race. Then go to the next level, I geuse that would be racing around the state. If you are good here, I would assume you would pick up a sponsorship. That will help you when you go to race at nationals and the likes. If you are good there, you will be asked to join the development team. Were you will train with teh olympic team and stuff untill you are better then one of them, then you are in the breach for whatever olympics is upcomming.
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Sarah Haskins is from my hometown of St. Louis and went to high school where my brother teaches. She is training for the Olympics. She now lives and trains at the US Olympic Training center in Colorado. She just won the LA Triathlon and I think she won a few other similar big ones this year or placed in the top 3. She is crazy fast an consistently wins or places in the biggest national olympic distance triathlons. I don't know her but I think she was a cross country or track phenom in high school. I imagine that you have to be really strong in a sport and get picked up by a great coach.

I would imagine to begin to think of the olympics you would need to swim 1500m in under 20 minutes, be able to average 24mph or better on the bike for 40k and then run a 10k at a 6 minute mile pace (on average on a typical course).
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Sarah Haskins is from my hometown of St. Louis and went to high school where my brother teaches. She is training for the Olympics. She now lives and trains at the US Olympic Training center in Colorado. She just won the LA Triathlon and I think she won a few other similar big ones this year or placed in the top 3. She is crazy fast an consistently wins or places in the biggest national olympic distance triathlons. I don't know her but I think she was a cross country or track phenom in high school. I imagine that you have to be really strong in a sport and get picked up by a great coach.

I would imagine to begin to think of the olympics you would need to swim 1500m in under 20 minutes, be able to average 24mph or better on the bike for 40k and then run a 10k at a 6 minute mile pace (on average on a typical course).
I think you might bump that 24mph up a bit. I'm a fat old guy and I can TT in the 25mph range for a 40k. Guys that are winning the Sate TT champinship are doing 29 mph. TDF riders are plus 30.
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In the 2005 LA Triathlon the top MPH on the bike split was 25.8mph. Tim DeBoom was 24.8mph. In the 2005 Chicago Tri the MPH on the bike split was 26.9mph - as I understand it Chicago is a pretty flat and fast course. These results are for male pros.

Can you really average 25mph for 40k? That is very very fast. Comparing triathletes, even pros, to state champion TT results or to pro cyclists is not accurate. A very very strong triathlete biker would probably be dusted by an average pro cyclist. Of course, the biker probably can't swim or run very well.
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In the 2005 LA Triathlon the top MPH on the bike split was 25.8mph. Tim DeBoom was 24.8mph. In the 2005 Chicago Tri the MPH on the bike split was 26.9mph - as I understand it Chicago is a pretty flat and fast course. These results are for male pros.

Can you really average 25mph for 40k? That is very very fast. Comparing triathletes, even pros, to state champion TT results or to pro cyclists is not accurate. A very very strong triathlete biker would probably be dusted by an average pro cyclist. Of course, the biker probably can't swim or run very well.

I'm looking to start TT racing as well, really crank up my wattage on the bike, I don't like to feel slow so I'm shooting for the moon
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In the 2005 LA Triathlon the top MPH on the bike split was 25.8mph. Tim DeBoom was 24.8mph. In the 2005 Chicago Tri the MPH on the bike split was 26.9mph - as I understand it Chicago is a pretty flat and fast course. These results are for male pros.

Can you really average 25mph for 40k? That is very very fast. Comparing triathletes, even pros, to state champion TT results or to pro cyclists is not accurate. A very very strong triathlete biker would probably be dusted by an average pro cyclist. Of course, the biker probably can't swim or run very well.
Yes I can, and it really isn't that fast, only good for 14th in Masters 45 for the Florida State TT championship. I can see your point doing it in the context of a triathlon would be tougher.
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There is a basic track to follow. Olympics is ITU style, so that should be your goal if you want to go to the olympics. The U.S. has an elite U23 circuit that is set up for juniors interested in the olympics to race in that manner against other juniors. Go to USAtriathlon.com and email the juniors guy. Plan three ITU-style U23 races for next year and hopefully qualify for nationals(you'll need an elite classification). From there you can get USAT support, such as training camps paid for. It basically a network you need to get into and once there, USAT has a support system for their athletes.
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Also, some people can cross over ITU to non-draft races. But it would seem to me that to want to win AG at Kona and make international ITU leve competition would require very different training and very different mentality.
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I just noticed something in your post, you said that you wished you had stayed with Track. I think your track experience may give an insight to whether the Olympics are a realistic goal. If you naturally took to Track, and were winning straight out of the box, and advancing to State competitions, and winning there, that would be an indication that you might have a gift that could be cultivated into an elite level of performance. If you were simply competitive with other kids at local meets, but not blowing everybody's doors off, it doesn't mean you can't reach a high level some day, but it might give you some insight as to whether you have the special physiology that 's necessary to reach a very elite level.

It appears the cart may be well ahead of the horse. Sign up for events that interest you, train hard to prepare,have fun, and see how far it takes you. But realize 99.9% of us are never going to get farther than doing this for our own satisfaction.
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I would imagine to begin to think of the olympics you would need to swim 1500m in under 20 minutes, be able to average 24mph or better on the bike for 40k and then run a 10k at a 6 minute mile pace (on average on a typical course).
Actually it's closer to 5 minute mile pace.
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...I think your track experience may give an insight to whether the Olympics are a realistic goal...
That's a really good point, and here's what he stated in this thread:

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. . .Remember running is a very different sport than cycling, I'm an ex runner (well getting back into it), I was running a 4'01 mile and a 1'55 half mile....coming to cycling, those numbers didn't and still don't matter.
This would put him among the very elite. The U.S. all-time high school record for boy's mile is 3:53. See link: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/rec...r_records.html

He's only 8 seconds off the all-time record. Call me skeptical, but if he was really that fast, recruiters from schools like UCLA and Univ. of Oregon would be camped out on his doorstep. He wouldn't be trolling forums asking for advice. He'd be the one giving all of us advice. And he'd have a very legitimate shot at making the Olympic team in track, and wouldn't be wasting time contemplating a triathlon career.

Elvish, is there some kind of concrete proof you can point to to prove me wrong? I'm skeptical, but I'm willing to hear you out.
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". . .Remember running is a very different sport than cycling, I'm an ex runner (well getting back into it), I was running a 4'01 mile and a 1'55 half mile....coming to cycling, those numbers didn't and still don't matter"

This is complete horsepoop. If he was a 1:55 halfer then he was probably a 4:01 1500 meter runner. Most 4:01 milers go out close to 1:55 in their first half of the race. Hahahahaahahahaha

Also, yes the top pros probably go sub 32 in the end of an Oly
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This is complete horsepoop. If he was a 1:55 halfer then he was probably a 4:01 1500 meter runner. Most 4:01 milers go out close to 1:55 in their first half of the race. Hahahahaahahahaha
And if he was a 4:01 1500 meter runner, he'd be only 23 seconds off the all time record. Still fast enough to get a full ride scholarship to some of the top running schools in the country. But instead of burning up the track at Stanford, UCLA or other top schools, he's here asking questions like this:

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How far is an olympic? I'm curious, I only know IM and half IM sprints vary don't they?
from: what distances do you race?

And then he asks if training for the Olympics is a reasonable goal.

Hey, guess what? I just learned to drive a Ford Escort - when can I race in the Indy 500?

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I'd say 4:01 1500 isn't so absurd. Most who go all the way through college(at any level D1-D3) as a 1500 runner will hit 4:01 with some good coaching and training.
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I'd say 4:01 1500 isn't so absurd. Most who go all the way through college(at any level D1-D3) as a 1500 runner will hit 4:01 with some good coaching and training.
He's 17 years old, 5'8", 180+ lbs and in this thread here's what he has to say:

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. . . and my mile run time at last check (has been a while) was 5'03"(that was 2 years ago thoguh...so I'd bet its at like 7-8 now)

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See the inconsistencies? 8 months ago, he was estimating that he was a 7-8 minute miler (and that he ran a 5:03 mile at age 14 ) , then he says he's done a 4:01 mile (or is it 1500 meters?).

The purpose of this forum is to offer advice to newbies and to discuss our sport. When there is someone who is disingenuous with us, it bothers me because we've taken time to respond in good faith. It began to raise "red flags" with me when I started to recognize his name, and saw an odd pattern of super fast times but lots of newbie-like questions. I'm not saying he's lying, I'm waiting for him to prove his statements. I have nothing to prove because I'm a middle-of-the-pack, middle-age guy and make no claim to being anything else. But I love the sport, study training and technology fanatically, and am always looking to improve - no more, no less.

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Whatkind of proof woudl youlike? I had to stop running because I got the hell busted out of me knee sparing.

I was asking how far an olympic distance tri was becasue I want wasn't sure, I need to know how far to train on.

There isn't a damn thing I can say or do to prove to you I was a fast as hell runner, but I was, I'd have you emailmy old coach but he died ina motorcycle accident 2 years ago (I'll see if I can't hunt the linkage)

I know there are some differences, but please allow typos.

I understand if you don't want to help, thats fine. I my best mile was 4'01, I could do it but it normally wasn't worth it...

If there are anything things,let me know...
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4:01 mile? As I said earlier, that's only 8 seconds off the all-time high school record. Check the link I posted above. You would have been the regional champ, probably state champ, and maybe even among the top 5 in the nation for that year. Your name would be plastered all over high school track and field websites. Where is it? If not, I call BS.
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4:01 mile? As I said earlier, that's only 8 seconds off the all-time high school record. Check the link I posted above. You would have been the regional champ, probably state champ, and maybe even among the top 5 in the nation for that year. Your name would be plastered all over high school track and field websites. Where is it? If not, I call BS.

Did you ever stop to think for just a second it could have not been a meet? I wasn't a mile runner, I was a half miler, and even then it ended short due to knee injury, again if you don't want to believe me thats you
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Did you ever stop to think for just a second it could have not been a meet? I wasn't a mile runner, I was a half miler, and even then it ended short due to knee injury, again if you don't want to believe me thats you
Elvish, check out this link: http://dyestat.com/3rank/5out/dse-final-aug10.htm

In 2004, the fastest high school runner in the USA ran the mile in 4:04 (nearly 4:05). And you claim you beat his time in the mile when that distance wasn't even your specialty?

Also, you didn't answer my question from earlier. How'd you go from being a 5'03" miler to the best high school miler in the US in 8 months? Are you juicing? If so, can you send a little my way ?

Anyway, I don't have any more time to post tonight - I gotta jump in my Ferrari to get to my Lear Jet so I can fly down to my Chalet in Switzerland by Saturday.

BTW, you are funny! Adios!
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Actually it's closer to 5 minute mile pace.
This is the truth. Plus, you better swim 1500 m in < 19 min so that you can draft on the bike at 30 mph instead of 24 by yourself.

Since they Olympics are pros now, maybe it would be easier to start as a pro.
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Hey Sprocket Man, I didn't know Elvish was the one claiming to be a 4:01 runner(anyone claiminig it had better be able to back it up). In that case let me address him directly, YOU WERE NOT A 4:01 miler, especially one who was really a half miler.

I know a 4:01 miler who was a half miler, he went 1:49 in the half before he ever went sub 4:04. He was 22, 6'3 and 160 pounds(i.e. he carried 20 pounds less than you and stride is about 12 inches longer or so). Trained about 75 miles a week and hard.

If you didn't run the 4:01 in a competition, then you know what? You didn't run it. Times in any competition need to have a legitimacy, i.e. governing bodies... USAT, USATF. If times are not recognized by those governing bodies, they didn't happen. I have no problem giving you advice. However, my advice if you can indeed run a 4:01 as a 5'8 180 pound person who also runs a 1:55 is to drop 40 pounds, find a good physical therapist and start running again, forget triathlon, you and Alan Webb should be training together.

If we want to accept limiters, you are 5'8" 180, run a 5 minute mile and have done some junior cycling thats good lets give advice... I'd still say drop say 20 pounds(every pound you lose you run approxiamatlely 1-3 seconds faster in a 10 k, also look at the build of the pros they're like most distance runners with about 2 inches more across the shoulders), bike a ton and find a swim coach.
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Do you remember the movie about the Olympic bobsled team from Jamaica?

That is MY strategy for going to the Olympics. Move to some little country where I own the only bicycle. A sure thing for making their Olympic cycling team.

So, that's the key: if you want to go to the Olympics, chose your nation carefully.
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The olympics are not a realistic goal for 99.99999999999% of the population. You are probably not in the minority. Perhaps you should win a race or two and get back with us.
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I think it is important to differentiate between goals and dreams (perhaps this is something I read in the Friel book). Sure, you can dream about competing in the Olympics, but before that is a realistic goal, you probably need some intermediate goals.
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