Beyond Fab Carbon TT Bike(s)
04-12-07, 12:37 PM
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Beyond Fab Carbon TT Bike(s)
Any one have a review on the Beyond Fab - Blink Carbon TT Bike ??? I've never heard of them before but the ride looks sweet.
https://beyondfab.com/cms/index.php?p...bon-time-trial
https://beyondfab.com/cms/index.php?p...bon-time-trial
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Wow, nice ripoff. You can buy that frame/fork/post for $3500, or buy the X-Lab Avenger with DA for $3000.
https://www.airointernational.com/avenger.html#MSRP
https://www.airointernational.com/avenger.html#MSRP
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$8,100 is way too much for me. Nice bike, but I could buy a decently outfitted P3C for a lot less $.
04-12-07, 07:51 PM
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yes they do all look very similar huh .... I was offered the Beyond bike at a super bargin but never heard about it.
Any reviews for any of these carbon frames?
Dolan / Planet X / etc ...
Thanks,
Jeff
Any reviews for any of these carbon frames?
Dolan / Planet X / etc ...
Thanks,
Jeff
04-13-07, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by james57
you can get the same frame (its rebranded) from planet X, Dolan, Carbonia, etc...
The one shown above is not quite as popular yet. XLab, Beyond Fabrications and a few others are using it. The distinct way to tell it apart from PX is the cable routing on the rear derailleur.
Planet-X originally designed the other mass marketed carbon frame used by the people you list and can be had for as little as $600-800 for a frameset I believe.
04-13-07, 12:10 PM
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are they worth it ???
All that being said ... are they worth it. Meaning are there any defects, have they been tested, are there any reviews on any of these mass produced carbon frames?
I was thinking that you could get a similar product with paying for the 'cervelo' or other top brand name. Essientially a no phrills bike with similar characteristics.
Any thoughs / advice out there ???
I was thinking that you could get a similar product with paying for the 'cervelo' or other top brand name. Essientially a no phrills bike with similar characteristics.
Any thoughs / advice out there ???
04-13-07, 01:21 PM
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There was a recent review of the Planet X in Cycling Plus, a British magazine. It tested quite well in comfort and stiffness. What these frames truly lack is the engineering background that Trek, Cervelo and Felt have put into their bikes. If you're the type of person who has to hav carbon and have a budget of $2500 or less, then they aren't a bad option. However, Cervelo or Felt at $3000-3200 for the B2 and P2C have much more thought out options. And the S22 and P2k are probably more aerodynamic bikes at a mere ~$1800.
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And to give you an idea of markup, the Beyond bike was being offered to Kona racers for $900 at one point.
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fyi I have the older version of the planet X and just can't complain about it. Got the frame-fork-post for under 1K, looks good, don't agree with the ''lack of eng..'' I would stick to the facts not impressions
04-13-07, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Triguy
Actually there are now two different frames being rebranded like crazy.
The one shown above is not quite as popular yet. XLab, Beyond Fabrications and a few others are using it. The distinct way to tell it apart from PX is the cable routing on the rear derailleur.
Planet-X originally designed the other mass marketed carbon frame used by the people you list and can be had for as little as $600-800 for a frameset I believe.
The one shown above is not quite as popular yet. XLab, Beyond Fabrications and a few others are using it. The distinct way to tell it apart from PX is the cable routing on the rear derailleur.
Planet-X originally designed the other mass marketed carbon frame used by the people you list and can be had for as little as $600-800 for a frameset I believe.
This frame is from https://www.axman.com.tw/products/pro...list.php?cid=4, sold under Xlab (USA https://www.airointernational.com/avenger.html#MSRP) Onyxx (England https://www.carbontec.co.uk/productDe...php?ctCode=150, and Azzurri (Australia https://www.azzurribikes.com/azzurri_chrono_elite.htm ).
On a side note about these frames. They are getting good reviews by those who have bought them here in Australia
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Originally Posted by james57
fyi I have the older version of the planet X and just can't complain about it. Got the frame-fork-post for under 1K, looks good, don't agree with the ''lack of eng..'' I would stick to the facts not impressions
The facts are that the Planet X bikes have a fairly slack of seat tube angle for their head tube length, leaving something to be desired for a good tri position.
The facts are that the planet x frames utilize an aspect ratio of about 1.8, whereas Cervelo and Felt push the limit of the UCI at exactly 3.
The facts are that both Cervelo and Felt spent hours in the wind tunnel designing their new carbon bikes, and in the words of Planet X - "They extensively modelled, developped and simulated our TT bar , frame and also did some work on the rims but we didnt go into the wind tunnel , theres only one or two wind tunnels in the uk and they are a long way from us , and to be brutally honest we wouldnt have had the knowledge or experience of the likes of say John Cobb to make effective use of wind tunnel time . "
My impression is that PX makes a good bike for the money, no disrespect. Just don't pay $1000 for a carbon frameset and expect it to be as good as everything else because of your impressions.
Finally, Planet X is now spending time in the wind tunnel to develop a non-uci bike which I will strongly consider if it looks good when it comes out but for now... there is the Stealh and it is what it is, a budget offering.
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Originally Posted by Triguy
The facts are that the Planet X bikes have a fairly slack of seat tube angle for their head tube length, leaving something to be desired for a good tri position.
The facts are that the planet x frames utilize an aspect ratio of about 1.8, whereas Cervelo and Felt push the limit of the UCI at exactly 3.
The facts are that both Cervelo and Felt spent hours in the wind tunnel designing their new carbon bikes, and in the words of Planet X - "They extensively modelled, developped and simulated our TT bar , frame and also did some work on the rims but we didnt go into the wind tunnel , theres only one or two wind tunnels in the uk and they are a long way from us , and to be brutally honest we wouldnt have had the knowledge or experience of the likes of say John Cobb to make effective use of wind tunnel time . "
My impression is that PX makes a good bike for the money, no disrespect. Just don't pay $1000 for a carbon frameset and expect it to be as good as everything else because of your impressions.
Finally, Planet X is now spending time in the wind tunnel to develop a non-uci bike which I will strongly consider if it looks good when it comes out but for now... there is the Stealh and it is what it is, a budget offering.
The facts are that the planet x frames utilize an aspect ratio of about 1.8, whereas Cervelo and Felt push the limit of the UCI at exactly 3.
The facts are that both Cervelo and Felt spent hours in the wind tunnel designing their new carbon bikes, and in the words of Planet X - "They extensively modelled, developped and simulated our TT bar , frame and also did some work on the rims but we didnt go into the wind tunnel , theres only one or two wind tunnels in the uk and they are a long way from us , and to be brutally honest we wouldnt have had the knowledge or experience of the likes of say John Cobb to make effective use of wind tunnel time . "
My impression is that PX makes a good bike for the money, no disrespect. Just don't pay $1000 for a carbon frameset and expect it to be as good as everything else because of your impressions.
Finally, Planet X is now spending time in the wind tunnel to develop a non-uci bike which I will strongly consider if it looks good when it comes out but for now... there is the Stealh and it is what it is, a budget offering.
I would'nt call 74.5 fairly slack.. well against 76.. OK
Frame aero, I could care less.. I do care about overall areo, that why I spend 2 months finetuning my position, but wheter your frame is aero or not wont make a yota of difference ..and cf frames are prettu much made at the same 5 facilities in Asia, I don't care about the brand .
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I agree that if the Carbon Frames all come from the same shops then they would tend to use the same manufacturing techniques despite which company actually funded the testing or defined the methods (ie. Cervelo, etc ...). Happens all the time.
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Originally Posted by Triguy
The facts are that the Planet X bikes have a fairly slack of seat tube angle for their head tube length, leaving something to be desired for a good tri position.
The facts are that the planet x frames utilize an aspect ratio of about 1.8, whereas Cervelo and Felt push the limit of the UCI at exactly 3.
The facts are that both Cervelo and Felt spent hours in the wind tunnel designing their new carbon bikes, and in the words of Planet X - "They extensively modelled, developped and simulated our TT bar , frame and also did some work on the rims but we didnt go into the wind tunnel , theres only one or two wind tunnels in the uk and they are a long way from us , and to be brutally honest we wouldnt have had the knowledge or experience of the likes of say John Cobb to make effective use of wind tunnel time . "
My impression is that PX makes a good bike for the money, no disrespect. Just don't pay $1000 for a carbon frameset and expect it to be as good as everything else because of your impressions.
Finally, Planet X is now spending time in the wind tunnel to develop a non-uci bike which I will strongly consider if it looks good when it comes out but for now... there is the Stealh and it is what it is, a budget offering.
The facts are that the planet x frames utilize an aspect ratio of about 1.8, whereas Cervelo and Felt push the limit of the UCI at exactly 3.
The facts are that both Cervelo and Felt spent hours in the wind tunnel designing their new carbon bikes, and in the words of Planet X - "They extensively modelled, developped and simulated our TT bar , frame and also did some work on the rims but we didnt go into the wind tunnel , theres only one or two wind tunnels in the uk and they are a long way from us , and to be brutally honest we wouldnt have had the knowledge or experience of the likes of say John Cobb to make effective use of wind tunnel time . "
My impression is that PX makes a good bike for the money, no disrespect. Just don't pay $1000 for a carbon frameset and expect it to be as good as everything else because of your impressions.
Finally, Planet X is now spending time in the wind tunnel to develop a non-uci bike which I will strongly consider if it looks good when it comes out but for now... there is the Stealh and it is what it is, a budget offering.
what are the facts then on the frames that xlabs use? It was said in this thread that they are different than the planet-x frames correct?
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Originally Posted by Triguy
I don't know about X-Lab's design. I'd love to find out. They are indeed different from Planet X.
Would there be some savings in getting a xlabs bike vs something like a cervelo p2c or quintana roo?
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Most bang for the buck, in my opinion? Cervelo Dual. I think Cervelo has done their homework. A bike besides Cervelo? Felt.
Personally I ride a 650c(QR aluminum Caliente) bike right now and a 700c(custom). I want to have 700s on both my bikes so I'm buying a new frame at the end of the year and switching over the components. It will in all probability be a P2sl.
If I had more money, I would look at the B2 and the P2C. If I had a ton of money, I'd still only really look at the P2c and B2.
I am semi-skeptical about tube shapes, wind tunnel tests, etc. really impacting performance. However, I have lost races by less amount of time than Cervelo is telling me I can gain by riding an aero tubed bike. So be it, I'll probably give it a try. Also, there is a video of Jim Felt talking about the B2/DA carbon design process and it's amazing. It is simple but it makes sense.
I'll probably write more later on my feelings of non-uci bikes and how you can get info from XLab to help you out...
Personally I ride a 650c(QR aluminum Caliente) bike right now and a 700c(custom). I want to have 700s on both my bikes so I'm buying a new frame at the end of the year and switching over the components. It will in all probability be a P2sl.
If I had more money, I would look at the B2 and the P2C. If I had a ton of money, I'd still only really look at the P2c and B2.
I am semi-skeptical about tube shapes, wind tunnel tests, etc. really impacting performance. However, I have lost races by less amount of time than Cervelo is telling me I can gain by riding an aero tubed bike. So be it, I'll probably give it a try. Also, there is a video of Jim Felt talking about the B2/DA carbon design process and it's amazing. It is simple but it makes sense.
I'll probably write more later on my feelings of non-uci bikes and how you can get info from XLab to help you out...
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Originally Posted by Triguy
Most bang for the buck, in my opinion? Cervelo Dual. I think Cervelo has done their homework. A bike besides Cervelo? Felt.
Personally I ride a 650c(QR aluminum Caliente) bike right now and a 700c(custom). I want to have 700s on both my bikes so I'm buying a new frame at the end of the year and switching over the components. It will in all probability be a P2sl.
If I had more money, I would look at the B2 and the P2C. If I had a ton of money, I'd still only really look at the P2c and B2.
I am semi-skeptical about tube shapes, wind tunnel tests, etc. really impacting performance. However, I have lost races by less amount of time than Cervelo is telling me I can gain by riding an aero tubed bike. So be it, I'll probably give it a try. Also, there is a video of Jim Felt talking about the B2/DA carbon design process and it's amazing. It is simple but it makes sense.
I'll probably write more later on my feelings of non-uci bikes and how you can get info from XLab to help you out...
Personally I ride a 650c(QR aluminum Caliente) bike right now and a 700c(custom). I want to have 700s on both my bikes so I'm buying a new frame at the end of the year and switching over the components. It will in all probability be a P2sl.
If I had more money, I would look at the B2 and the P2C. If I had a ton of money, I'd still only really look at the P2c and B2.
I am semi-skeptical about tube shapes, wind tunnel tests, etc. really impacting performance. However, I have lost races by less amount of time than Cervelo is telling me I can gain by riding an aero tubed bike. So be it, I'll probably give it a try. Also, there is a video of Jim Felt talking about the B2/DA carbon design process and it's amazing. It is simple but it makes sense.
I'll probably write more later on my feelings of non-uci bikes and how you can get info from XLab to help you out...
In the meantime though it would be nice of some more people can chime in on these framesets/builds.
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I'd love to hear from someone that has one of these mass produced frame sets. Anyone hear anything about them personally? I think I may lean toward the P2C though I'd hate to slap down extra cash just for the name.
05-02-07, 08:22 PM
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I'd love to hear from someone that has one of these mass produced frame sets. Anyone hear anything about them personally? I think I may lean toward the P2C though I'd hate to slap down extra cash just for the name.
Search for comments about Azzurri on https://forums.transitions.org.au/
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The Planet-X frame looks exactly like the ElementSix frame. Am I correct or am I just being blind? It doesn't look much like the BF frame though.
