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    Wow, this freestyle swimming is pretty hard! I'm pretty good with breaststroke and confident in water, but have never really bothered to learn freestyle. Now I figured out might be the time to try triathlon, so I ventured out to try freestyle today.

    I have to say I felt I floated like a brick Wasn't able to relax at all, breathing didn't feel natural, stroke was underpowered and my legs were all over the place.. I managed to do some 25's and even a couple of 50's by the end, but after 30 minutes I was totally wasted. So yeah, seems to take a bit of training to get used to it. On the positive side, at least there's a potential for shaving plenty of seconds off my 100's! Need to get a timer watch to take with me, next time..

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    An old thread, but stickied, so I'll use it for my first post...!

    A couple of things that have been mentioned, that I agree with: (freestyle)

    --swimming is in the arms
    --kicking (tho certainly helpful) is not the main part of it
    --rotating on your lengthwise axis is very effective (think propeller, or windmill)
    (and this is part of a relaxed stroke (and someone mentioned relaxing))

    Stroke:

    --reach out in front of you as far as you can on each stroke
    (glide a tad while reaching)
    --follow thru all the way, don't stop your stroke until your arm is fully extended at your leg
    (the very last part of follow-thru is what a lot of people miss)
    --think of the water as a solid, rather than a liquid
    (on each stroke try to grab and hold onto as much water as you can, and don't let it slip away, e.g., by sliding your hand around during your stroke)

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    Comments that I don't understand are those mentioning the hairline as being frontwards or on the waterline.... In my case, when I swim, the very top of my head is pointed at the approaching end of the pool, and it still does when I rotate to take a breath.

    Tho I can, I don't do flip turns. Reason = I want an extra breath at each end. No, I don't pause (except for that breath), but for people here who might feel winded quickly, skip the flip turns and grab some extra air!

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    My idiosyncrasies...

    I'm not a tri person, but I cycle and swim a lot. I don't jog, and certainly never run, tho I do walk a lot with our dog (weather-permitting). I'm 61.

    Swimming: Tho fins and pull buoys were mentioned, I'm a little surprised that there's been no mention of hand equipment. Tho I'm neither a swimming teacher nor an expert swimmer, there are different kinds of paddles and gloves that may help either beginners or swimmers in training.

    I swim almost exclusively with full fingered Body Glove paddle gloves <<an easy google, tho there are many alternatives. Something like this could help a weak/beginning swimmer feel more powerful, and, if I read the literature right, can make make an experienced swimmer's training more useful (making it more of a resistance training in a shorter time, and less aerobic). Again, I'm not an expert, nor even an amateur trainer, so YMMV.

    Second, in addition to the gloves, I swim almost exclusively with two pull buoys between my legs. And I never kick. Just toes pointed, and lower legs crossed.

    Weird, huh? And in spite of all that, I'm still offering advice here!

    But it works. I usually do 40 or 50 laps, occasionally 60. 25m pool, no breaks. Depending on all the things that things usually depend on, my lap times start at 54 sec., quickly drop to 55, and on a good day I can hold 56 till the end.

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    Looks like no one is posting here but just in case...

    Anyone else sink? Everywhere online you see people who say their legs sink (No kidding, but they are attached to the rest of you haha). Or people who are "nervous" about water. There is advice everywhere proclaiming all you have to do is take a breath and float. All that is useless if you actually DO sink. On a lungful of air.

    I've been swimming for a year now, on my own, with the college tri club, and with the local masters club. Still, almost all my energy is spent to keep myself within a few inches of the surface so I can rotate (and push up a little) and find some air. So question:
    If you actually sink, and thus swim 100% submerged except for the arms recovering, how can you get air without breaking the streamline??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanazawajohn View Post
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    I swim almost exclusively with full fingered Body Glove paddle gloves <<an easy google, tho there are many alternatives. Something like this could help a weak/beginning swimmer feel more powerful, and, if I read the literature right, can make make an experienced swimmer's training more useful (making it more of a resistance training in a shorter time, and less aerobic). Again, I'm not an expert, nor even an amateur trainer, so YMMV.

    Second, in addition to the gloves, I swim almost exclusively with two pull buoys between my legs. And I never kick. Just toes pointed, and lower legs crossed....
    Try a pull buoy, maybe two...?

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    We are going to do video series about technique for triathlon.
    I wish it could help you.

    This is our first chapter.

    VIDEO: FREESTYLE SWIMMING TECHNIQUE #1 (Arms underwaters)






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    As someone that has been swimming for 9 years, I can definitely give some advice, just ask

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    Quote Originally Posted by proileri View Post
    Wow, this freestyle swimming is pretty hard! I'm pretty good with breaststroke and confident in water, but have never really bothered to learn freestyle. Now I figured out might be the time to try triathlon, so I ventured out to try freestyle today.

    I have to say I felt I floated like a brick Wasn't able to relax at all, breathing didn't feel natural, stroke was underpowered and my legs were all over the place.. I managed to do some 25's and even a couple of 50's by the end, but after 30 minutes I was totally wasted. So yeah, seems to take a bit of training to get used to it. On the positive side, at least there's a potential for shaving plenty of seconds off my 100's! Need to get a timer watch to take with me, next time..
    Definitely keep on learning freestyle, It's by far the fastest way of moving with not too much effort once you get the technique, quite possibly the best style for long distances. Butterfly is also fast but it uses up huge amount of energy and it will kill you during long distances. Breaststroke is nice and energy efficient swim style but only if you're going slow, when you ramp up your speed, then just like with butterfly you use up a lot of energy. Backstroke is the closest you get to freestyles speed/energy spent in my opinion.

    Freestyle/Backstroke are probably the best styles for triathlon.

    I can do 100m in 55 seconds in a 25m long pool and around 56,5 in a 50m pool, Freestyle, but yeah I'm a full out swimmer though so don't compare with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TranceLov3 View Post
    As someone that has been swimming for 9 years, I can definitely give some advice, just ask
    In the past I was a strong swimmer, fast forward seven years and a shoulder and elbow surgery later and I'm unsure where to start. I'm five years post op so no worries of it being too soon, though shoulder surgery did nothing but cost 20k. I'm currently working out at the gym almost solely focusing on upper body/shoulders which has been going fine, then last weekend I give swimming a try and ten minutes in and my shoulder is toast... What exercises aside from stretching should I be doing for swimming motion? I think I'm working he wrong muscle groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizzaly View Post
    In the past I was a strong swimmer, fast forward seven years and a shoulder and elbow surgery later and I'm unsure where to start. I'm five years post op so no worries of it being too soon, though shoulder surgery did nothing but cost 20k. I'm currently working out at the gym almost solely focusing on upper body/shoulders which has been going fine, then last weekend I give swimming a try and ten minutes in and my shoulder is toast... What exercises aside from stretching should I be doing for swimming motion? I think I'm working he wrong muscle groups.
    I'm not exactly sure about your case here, was it the muscle that was operated or was it the joint (google translate lol)? Maybe you started out too heavily on your shoulders? There are these things called rubber strength bands, you should try one of these and search the internet for a couple of exercises for shoulders, I'd say these would be a nice place to start because exercising with them somewhat imitates the way your shoulder works while you're swimming. During swimming your muscles aren't constantly doing work, they should be relaxed while you're not stroking to move forward so it might be about your technique but I'm not sure.

    As I said I'm not sure about your case here exactly, does your shoulder cause you pain even when you're not exercising? Maybe look into massages? If it does hurt then I'm not sure what to do, might need to seek some help from a doctor but as you said the 20k operation didn't really do anything for you so there might be the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TranceLov3 View Post
    I'm not exactly sure about your case here, was it the muscle that was operated or was it the joint (google translate lol)? Maybe you started out too heavily on your shoulders? There are these things called rubber strength bands, you should try one of these and search the internet for a couple of exercises for shoulders, I'd say these would be a nice place to start because exercising with them somewhat imitates the way your shoulder works while you're swimming. During swimming your muscles aren't constantly doing work, they should be relaxed while you're not stroking to move forward so it might be about your technique but I'm not sure.

    As I said I'm not sure about your case here exactly, does your shoulder cause you pain even when you're not exercising? Maybe look into massages? If it does hurt then I'm not sure what to do, might need to seek some help from a doctor but as you said the 20k operation didn't really do anything for you so there might be the problem?
    Sorry I guess I couldn't have been more vague, I'm actually gonna do a aqua physical exercise?(don't remember what it's called) through my gym. Thanks for responding though, I actually tore almost all the tendons and one ligament and lost part of the muscle set that holds down your should blade after years of abuse on an already injured shoulder. But to answer your question yes it hurts no matter what I do even at rest, but when I swam the other day it tired so quickly miss what I meant by toast.

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    No guarantee with any surgery and that is why I refuse, as of now, to have a total shoulder joint replacement. Too long for recovery as I have IMFL in November again.

    Slowly easing back into working everything with the shoulder has helped since my crash in 2011 that really messed with the shoulder.

    Good luck and keep updating.

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