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    Do you trust bike shops?

    I've posted a couple of times in here regarding Cervelo P3 or P2k. I'm still honing in on one of these, and I'd like you guys'/girls' opinion/experience with dealing with private bike shops. I'm 6'4", so my problem is that not too many shops have a bike big enough for me to ride. Hence, they usually fit me on the biggest frame they have and say stuff like "We can make this work for you". That sort of worries me because they launch into discussions about lengthing this or that stem. They've also told me it's a good idea to ride a frame that's a little small for me. That makes a little sense to me beings as I currently ride a 56cm road bike, and I do ok on it(albeit I have JB welded all sorts of aluminum handle-bar extenders to stretch myself out over the bike and my eyes are actually directly over the front axle when I'm riding)--about 22mph in our annual Olympic distance bike section.

    So, any help you guys can give I'd greatly appreciate. Reading reviews, etc. is sometimes confusing. P3 sort of seems like a no-lose situation if I get it fit correctly. Then again, for $3,500 I would expect most of the "bugs" to be worked out of the frame and components. Is that right in your opinion?

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    David

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    If I was dropping $3500 (or even $500 for that matter) for a new bike, I would insist that the shop order the right size. If they wouldn't and instead tried to put me on what they had in stock, I would walk out.

    Dude, you ride a 56cm road bike?!? I'm 5'8" and *I* ride a 56cm!!! And no, it is not too big for me. I can't imagine someone 6'4" trying to ride my bike!

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    You can buy the most expensive bike out in the market but if it doesn't fit right you will never get the performance you thought you paid for. Go custom or find a shop that will order what you need.

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    Any shop worth its salt will order the right size for you. After all, a sale is a sale. If you're going to drop that kind of coin though, I would make the extra effort and visit one of John Cobb's shops. When I was shopping for a Tri bike 7 years ago, I made the drive up from Houston to the Shreveport store. Those guys know how to fit a bike and they manage to do it with about 1% of the attitude you can pick up from the staff at other Tri shops.

    Of course if you're droping 3.5 Ks, I think any shop will treat you real nice.
    "I don't want to learn. The more you drive, the less intelligent you become."

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    Thanks for your input. At this point, I've bought a P3--right at $3000. The shop did order a 61cm and didn't give me too much argument when I unequivocally said that's what I wanted. I can hold an effortless 23mph on a flat and have been able to push it up to 25mph and hold it if I concentrate. More dramatically, I can hold no less than 20mph going uphill compared to dips as low as 13mph on the old bike. I'll be interested to see if it improves my standings in a race--seems like it should. It certainly will help me feel better about spending the money if I can just pass a car or two. ;-)

    Thanks, again, for taking time to help me.

    David


    Quote Originally Posted by superchivo
    Any shop worth its salt will order the right size for you. After all, a sale is a sale. If you're going to drop that kind of coin though, I would make the extra effort and visit one of John Cobb's shops. When I was shopping for a Tri bike 7 years ago, I made the drive up from Houston to the Shreveport store. Those guys know how to fit a bike and they manage to do it with about 1% of the attitude you can pick up from the staff at other Tri shops.

    Of course if you're droping 3.5 Ks, I think any shop will treat you real nice.

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    I ride a 59cm Lemond and I right at 6 foot. It is alittle on the big side, but that is how I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WAR85
    I ride a 59cm Lemond and I right at 6 foot. It is alittle on the big side, but that is how I like it.
    Frame size is an inexact science. A lot depends upon the bottom bracket height, tubing size and even crank length and the shoes you wear. For example a 56 cm Frame with 7 cm of drop will have about the same standover as a 57cm frame with 8 cm of drop only the 57 will be more stable but more prone to banging a pedal on a curve. As most frames are measured center to center the tubing diameter also will affect the standover on the bike.

    BTW I have the classic chimp build. Shorter legs and longer torso and arms. I'm 6 foot and ride a 52 cm frame with 100cm nitto stem.

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    I'm 6'5 and going through the process of finding/getting fit for a bike. It seems that most shops won't go through the work of ordering what you need, and instead try to fit you on the biggest frame that they have. I've had to take the time to get a proper fitting, which meant a 1+30 drive for me, and found EXACTLY what I needed. It puts me, the buyer, in the driver seat, and allows me to say with confidence, "This is what I need, can you get for me?" if they don't have it. If they try to do the rope a dope on me, I leave. I'm finding the other part of the equation is finding a reputable bike shop to go through the process with, and building a relationship with them, that way, everybody's on the same page, which makes the process less hassle. Hope it helps.

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    Hi...thanks for your note. I like your name. Because you're 6'5", I'm sure you understand the problems with finding the right sized frame sitting in a bike shop--they don't sell enough high dollar bikes in that size range to make it worthwhile to have them in stock. I ended up doing as much studying as I could on the bikes that I wanted and finally took the plunge on a P3--61cm. Interestingly, the initial improvements were not astoundingly different from my previous 56cm, HEAVY Panasonic(except climbing hills). I felt a little sick at that point. But, within 3 weeks, the new bike allowed me to glimpse some sustained speeds that I had, theretofore, thought were impossible--in other words, it took me several rides to get used to a real aero position and to convince my legs to turn the pedals circularly in that position. Since that time, it is not unusual for me to relax(meaning, "not all-out") and ride 23.5mph for over an hour(I was averaging 22.3mph with a TON of effort prior), and I haven't trained more than 300 miles on the bike since I got it. I have yet to push a time trial ride on this bike--I'm aiming for a half iron man in September, and I think I'll be able to hold that 23mph for the 56mile course. I think 2 riders held better than 25mph for the same course last year, but there was a huge gulf between them and the rest of the field, and 23mph is definitely a competitive time...I'll train hard and cross my fingers. :-)

    Good luck with your bike...and thanks, again, for your thoughts.

    David

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