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Old 02-01-09, 11:17 PM   #1
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Scott vs Felt

Alright guys I think I have narrowed my choices down to a scott plasma and felt b2. I'll probly end up buying the frame only and get a DA 7800 groupo on it. So hit me up with opinions. I want honest opinions that are supported. Now i haven't ridden either yet so I'm not sure about the fit yet.

So help me out please...it is a big investment and I would like some help.
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I have no experience with either, however I recall reading elsewhere on this site about poor customer service on the part of Scott, when people have had issues with their bikes. Its worth a search... JMO.
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Old 02-02-09, 05:57 PM   #3
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search was a fail...any one out there
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No data on service.
When you test rode them, which one seduced you? Which bike said "Take me home & ride me." ?? Aside from concerns about quality & service, the one that fit best and had the best feel should be your choice.
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Old 02-02-09, 10:30 PM   #5
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see that is what is killing me. no one has anything for me to test ride. the lbs only has xs and L roos and the shop at home only has a trek.
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These are comparable bikes...it's not like ones a Ferrari and the other's a Ford. It's more like Toyota and Honda. They're both fine. They're both more bike than you'll ever be able to take advantage of. If you want to nitpik, I'd take the B2 for the bayonet fork design.
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FWIW, I'm getting a 2009 Felt B2. The whole bike though, not the frameset, as it seems to be a better buy. It was a bit of a leap for me budget wise but I figured I should get the best bike I can afford.

Regarding the Scott v. Felt, they're two fairly different bikes geometry wise. The Felt has a much more refined geometry. Deisgned to be ridden steeper and lower. A little more BB drop, and I like their Headtube angles.

Beyond that assuming we are talking the original Plasma(not the newest Plasma Ltd) vs. the B2, the Felt is better in my opinion in many ways:

1. The Bayonet Fork. Everyone who rides a Felt with the Bayonet fork talks about it's point and go nature. I have not heard one person who does not like the steering of the bike, which is saying something.
2. Aerodynamics. Here is what I want you to do. Go look at the downtube width of the scott, and then compare it to the felt, the Felt is about 25% thinner, that's 25% less to push through the wind. Then look at the seatstays, the cable routing, the forks, the brake placement; Felt did their aerodynamic homework. According to Cervelo's numbers the Scott generates 100 grams more drag at most yaw angles than the Felt. That's quite a bit.

3. You couldn't give me a bike with an integrated seatpost, really. The integrated seatpost on the Scott is a deal breaker to me. Before you buy it, try putting it in a bike case.

4. Cable Routing - Felt has the best internal cable routing in the business. It's funny to tout something so small, until of course you try and change your cables.

To me, the three best, and most proven, triathlon bike designers out there right now are Cervelo, Felt and Trek. They have competitive prices, smart specs and all of them design in the wind tunnel.

Bikes I would consider if my favorite shop carried them are Cannondale and Specialized. Both bikes have kind of screwy geometry(which a 54cm C'Dale Slice would for me) but if they fit you, they are both quite nice.

There are other companies I would most definitely consider, such as Jamis, Argon 18, and Blue; these companies seem to be doing some smart things with their bikes as well.
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no the plasma ltd is actually the one i am considering
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I think thats the older design correct?
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no the 09 plasma ltd:
http://scottusa.com/us_en/product/1669/11925/plasma_ltd
i'd get frame inly probly. i cant drop 11k on a bike
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All right, thanks for clearing that up. Everything I said before is pretty much the same, except that the frame you linked to does "seem" more aerodynamic but I haven' seen any numbers one way or the other.

I will say the 2009 Plasma Ltd is a cool looking bike.

I think you should honestly track down somewhere you can ride both. I think one of them will speak to you more than the other.
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yea thast what im trying to do but none of the shops around me have any tri bikes and if they do they aren't my size. i asked if they would get any in and they said no. they will all be special orders probly
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porche vs. mercedes?
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man i like the new porsches...but mercedes are nice
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b2 driver here, never been sorry, great ride......
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thanks for hte input
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I got a 2008 B12 to replace my 1990 Kestrel 200SC conversion tri bike last year. I really like it and it gets me in the best aero position still allowing me to apply power. It’s such a smooth ride for me, so much lighter and stiffer.

In my tri bike quest I narrowed them down to basically three bikes. The Cervelo P2/P3, Cannondale Slice and the Felt B2/B12. I test rode the P2, Slice and B12 before I made my discussion. My advice is to test ride more than one bike and different makes and models. I did not ride the P3 or B2 and when it came down to it I could not justify the increase cost for those two.

The B12 and B2 are the same shape frame. The B2 is a different frame material and has the bayonet fork. The rear brake for the Felt is at the bottom bracket. While I was told there no effect in handling and it was more aero with the rear brake setup. For me it does feel different when braking. The braking is hard to describe but I think it’s like a center if gravity affect thing. It’s not bad just strange feeling.

Triguy has some good points. The cable swap out with the Felt is very easy. I would also look at the NEW Fuji carbon tri bike. It came out after my purchase and I love the Matt Reed paint.

I have a Scott CR1 road bike and love it. Not much help with there Tri bikes.
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man all i want to do is ride one and i can't. this is making this so much harder.
thanks for the input tasr
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bmc...you ever get to test ride any bikes? make a choice?
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i havent yet. ive started looking around at some others too. like cervelo and orbea. i like the ordu a lot and i'll be able to test ride one and the lower end carbon frame too when i go home for break. I really want to ride a felt but none of the bike shops around me have any built up. everything is special order except one bike shop and they have the ordu on sale too i think
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also anyone have or know anything about pedal force frames? a full carbon frame for 900 seems pretty cheap. i've seen pictures of one built up and a frame at that cost would leave plenty of money for some nice aero wheels
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also anyone have or know anything about pedal force frames? a full carbon frame for 900 seems pretty cheap. i've seen pictures of one built up and a frame at that cost would leave plenty of money for some nice aero wheels
All right, I haven't seen data on the Pedal Force, but it has very similar tube sizes, shapes and design cues to the Kuota Kalibur. The Kuota Kalibur is dog slow aerodynamically and I would not expect the Pedal force to be any better.

If you insist on a generic carbon frame may I suggest this one:

$845 http://www.xlab-usa.com/avenger.html

Its tube widths are down around 30mm and 65mm deep. Also, it has bladed seatstays, internal cable routing. Of all the generic carbon frames they seem to have tried a little harder on aerodynamics.

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The Ora as reported by Cervelo is pretty slow aerodynamically. Not sure about the Ordu.

I have seen actual data on the following bikes and they to me would be considered "fast" aerodynamically:
1. Cervelo
2. Trek
3. Felt
4. Specialized

Bikes that I think can be deduced to be fast:
1. Walser
2. Jamis carbon
3. Giant's old carbon bike maybe
4. Cannondale's carbon slice

5.6.7. Scott's new plasma maybe, Kuota K-Factor(bigger maybe), Orbea Ordu(bigger maybe), etc...

Now a bikes aerodynamics aren't the only factor to consider, but if you're going to lay down a bunch of money, might as well get one that you know is aerodynamic.
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man thanks for the help Triguy. I'm a little suspicious seeing the data come from cervelo and all but i am considering a cervelo frame now. everyone talks very highly of them but i guess there is a reason for it. but i'd really like to ride one. i'll be able to ride a ordu shortly once i go home.
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I have an '08 P2C and LOVE it. Hard to imagine a better ride. That said, you should read Tom Demerly's (BikeSport Michigan) review of the B12 and B16. The B12 hits just above the price point of an '09 P2C while the B16 is below. The B12 has better specs than the Cervelo I bought (uses Ultegra SL cranks and has the new felt F-bend bars I hear folks talking about.

http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/

And of course aesthetics count, IMHO the B12 is the best looking bike Felt has produced in a while. Still, if I had it to do over again, I think I would go with my P2C (I was in your spot last year, going between a Felt or Cervelo). At this level, I think it comes down to personal preference though. I don't think you could go wrong between the two. Happy Hunting!
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yeah well the plan is to get a frame then throw on a DA 7800 groupo. and i'd like to ride a cervelo but the only bike i have found to ride and fit is an orbea and i like the ordu. they seem very nice and kinda unigue. not very common maybe its cause they are expensive not sure but craig alexander rode one to 1st in ironman world champion race. part of me thinks its more about hte rider then the bike but a nice bike helps.

i just keep jumping around from brand to brand.

i found a p3 world champion frame and i feel like since so many people have cervelos that would be a nice one to be differnt but its expensive but still less than the ordu...not by much.

and if i shell out 3k for a frame then get DA components some aero wheels would be out of the question this season
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