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    running with water- ? Cottonmouth King <<<<

    does anyone run with water bottles?

    I started my training yesterday- i know 2 weeks later than planned.

    But I did 950 yrds on my eleptical machine, 3 miles on my bike then got up early this morning and did a 1 mile run. ( not too bad for my first couple days and weighing 240lb-huh?)

    It was 24* and I don't think I'm breathing right either, my mouth was so dry after the ride and run I couldn't drink enough to get hydrated.

    Do you run with a water bottle?
    Does anyone run with a fancy 2 bottle water belt?
    Do you run with your mouth open?
    Do you breath in your nose and out your mouth?

    This is the hardest part for me & the Tri training. My wife thinks I'm pushing to hard but I want to be able to run 3 miles by March, If I can't get over the cottonmouth Its going to make the training harder.

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    I breather through my mouth and on long, hot runs I have a water belt. I always have a water bottle on my bike. Do what works for you. If you are getting thirsty, take a bottle with you. Your body will tell you what it needs.

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    First, way to go on jumping into training! It's hard to get out and run when it's 24, a better man than me. Watch out! That water bottle might turn into a frozen hand weight!

    About the running, be careful and ease into it. If you have not been really running yet, your muscles are going to outlast your joints. I can remember when I decided to first try a tri, I decided to go out and run 3 miles, and I did. That from zero running. BIG mistake. Really did a whammy on myself there. I believe that's a big pitfall for folks just getting into running - underestimating the impact stresses and how the body adapts to those. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't run, just to be cautious and not push too hard too fast, so pay careful attention to what your body is telling you. I've learned some hard lessons about trying to move too fast or cram too much in at one time.

    By the way, are you using a particular training plan?
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    I don't want this to sound like a slam but this has happend to me when I have a bunch of sugery meals and maybe missed 24hr without brushing my teeth. I feel like I could drink all the water in the world and my mouth still feels dry.

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    i dont really have a plan except to cycle a little everyday and run alittle everyday.

    I guess if you count this as a plan, I am going to try and run at least a mile the first 2 weeks and cycle 2-3 miles.

    weeks 2-4 add 25% to both
    weeks 4-6 add another 25%
    weeks 6-8 add another 25%
    I hope to be able to run for at least an hour with minumum fatigue and hope to have the 3 miles stamina I need to compete.

    I did notice last night and today my tendons behind my knees are killing me, and my shins hurt bad.
    Going to stretch it out tonight for 15 minutes take a short ride 1-2 miles and then do eleptical for 30 minutes on a grade 2.
    I dont think my knees can take a run tonight so I'll bulk up on protien(peanuts) and potasium(bannannas) with the run coming back tomorrow night I need at least a mile a night.

    I also noticed I am dead leg as hell coming off my bike and getting onto foot for the run, but after the first 5 minutes or so into the run I feel better.

    I did take a water bottle last night and ventured down a few different roads, I have 2 flashing led lights and a front light, a guy almost side swiped me turning out of his road. He got really close. But the water was so cold it was partially frozen, thats the bad part of having a metal water bottle. I need a plastic one.

    The Areo Bars are driving me nut, I cant get right in the bars and the left keeps moving around-even after tightning them. I may need some tape or something to fix that, not sure yet. But they hurt my forearms,i might look for some different cups.

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    A couple of quick things. If you literally mean run and cycle everyday, you should include a rest day in there. The recovery phase is when your body is actually getting stronger. It's important for several reasons to build adequate recovery into a plan. It will improve your performance and help you avoid fatigue and overuse injuries. Be especially aware of any pain that lingers after a run.

    The elephant legs coming off the bike are not unusual, and your legs will adapt.

    Check your PM as well.

    And I admire your get it done attitude.
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    last year at this time i was in your shoes, i weighed 230 lbs and decided to start to get fit, i didnt have any ambitions of doing a tri until i was about 5 months into working out regularly in fact i was only wanting to do a 5k race in which i skipped over and did a sprint tri in july. i am actually going to run a 5k next weekend for fun but honestly have never ran a 5k run ever but did do a sprint tri and a duathlon in which was supposed to be a tri but the swim got cancelled so it became a lengthy duathlon in the running portion.
    my advise about starting fresh as you are is to ease into it. if you are heavy your body is going to get punished running. i would say bike alot and take up swimming and get your weight down before you start running too much. substitute the run with elliptical and maybe run 2 times a week at most and be concious of your joints.
    just getting your cadio built up the run will come with that, don't beat your body up running to achieve the cardio level, save that for the race course.
    good luck, i lost 40 pounds myself and consider myself to be pretty fit these days considering i am 37 yrs old.
    also rest days are a good thing for sure as long as you can not go bananas eating etc lol
    even now i do not run 2 days in a row ever, your body does not like doing that.
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    I couldn't stop myself last night, i skip the cardio, did a good 20 minutes of stretching from a recommend website and started feeling better.

    Ran 1.2 miles and cycled 3 miles but my hands were frozen, i pulled my sweatshirt(dont have a jersey yet) down over my hands. I did get my Aero bars to stop moving and it felt kinda comfy.

    I only have 8 weeks until the Tri-sprint, I can feel myself getting stronger but I will take Sundays off until I get adjusted or make Saturday & Sunday my off days to recoupe.

    Plainsman gave me the hook up on a schedule so I am going to print it mark it all down on a calender and mark it off each day.

    I wish I wouldn't have waited so late to start but winter has been harsh, it finally warmed up alittle here so that will make it easier on my joints and knees.

    I think I'm doing pretty good so far but dont want to burn myslef out, right now its all about relaxing and having fun while training at the same time

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    Just a couple questions, first off your age.... second is it a goal to finish or are you thinking to do well in your age group... for me my first tri i was happy to just finish it but in the end delighted to be mid pack in a pretty competitive group. one thing is for sure the guys that usually place well in the age group will be running under 7 minute miles possibly under 6 minute miles and biking at an average speed of 24 mph. myself I managed to run just under 8 minute miles and average just at 20 mph on the bike and i came out second of the water for my age group. i just have to realize some of these guys are just in phenominal shape and are built for this stuff.... but i digress lol
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    I'm 34 years old, I'm racing in clydesdale, but I guess I'm more about finishing this one and placing on my next one which is only 1 month apart, but my competive nature I want to do well also.

    I went into last years class's and looked at there times and would like to be around the same.
    Last night after nursing soar muscles I did the 1.2 in 12 minutes 30 seconds, I didn't time the ride.

    My wife said I'm built like a tug boat, I can carry heavy things and go forever and do it well, but I'm no cigar boat!

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    well you guys were right a day off is a good thing, I took Yesterday off from my grueling schedule and my diet, we went out and had Flounder and Shrimp for dinner, and went to bed early 10:30. which is like a record for me.

    I've lost 7 lbs so far-not too bad for my first week, my calfs were killing me by Thrusday but I went to Plainsmans website and have been doing alot of reading and I guess I was so worried about heel strike I was toe striking instead. I'm still working on my form.

    I also understand now too why all workout plans on line call for a 30 min run, they have you walk in the middle for a warming session.

    I ran a 9 minute mile Friday night-just under 9- but the winner of last years races all had the 5k done in 21-25 minutes so there is my goal.

    a 7 minute mile? is that obtainable?

    29 minutes for the 10 mile part- I think I can do that but yet another goal that I have set for my self.


    I'm going to start another thread later since I'm at work I have question about the race results that doesn't make alot of sense to me but it may to ya'll

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    jetta, congrats on a solid run! Double congrats on the 7lbs, that's down right awesome! Whether or not a 7min/mile is ultimately attainable is hard to say at this point. It seems to me that some people are natural runners, whereas others (like myself) really have to work hard at it. The run is def. my limiter - but knowing that lets me know where to focus my attention.

    What is your ultimate goal for this particular race? Win, place, finish? That's a key question, and ultimately up to you. I like the concept of SMART goals, that is, goals that are - Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, and Timely. So far for me, winning my AG has not fallen into that category - but I'm still working at it. I was able in the 11 weeks preceding the first race of last season to cut 1:15/mile off of my run, which was significant for me. Is it possible to drop 2min/mile in that amount of time? I really don't know. My instinct is to say that might be too much too soon. As opposed to biking and swimming, to me running seems to require the most time to build speed (and there are specific workouts to help with that) and has the greatest potential for injury. You are not starting off in a bad spot, and remember as weight comes off you are taking even more pressure off of your knees and joints.

    I would say to continue to work hard (and smart) be careful, listen to your body - and see how it goes. As a side note, and again this is just me, but I typically would not make winning a goal for someone's first race, there will be plenty of other races for that. I would say go ahead and do your best on the first one, but let your focus be on enjoying the experience versus the distraction of where you might be placing. If you place or win, that's just icing on the cake, but it's a lot of pressure to put on yourself on the front end (not saying that is your goal, but as a for instance) - and now I'm wishing I had Flounder and Shrimp!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plainsman View Post
    . I was able in the 11 weeks preceding the first race of last season to cut 1:15/mile off of my run, which was significant for me.

    and now I'm wishing I had Flounder and Shrimp!
    Thats cool, I hope to do the same but not going to push it.

    I live at the beach so we get it right off the boat,yummy!

    My heart says " I just want to finish" but my mind says " if you drop the weight, you could place top 5" Its like an internal battle!

    I have found that I find peace when running, I have never been a runner but I think I am enjoying it as much as cycling now.

    my goal for the end of the 8 weeks and the running is to be able to run the whole distance without walking and not be outta breath.

    I did change my workout plan to get on board with BT's schedule I ran my mile walked half way again and then 30 second sprints-jog-30 second sprint a 1/4 of the way back home and walked the last 1/4 to cool down. I did 32 minutes I have no idea how far it all was, Suprisingly it was after a 20 minute bike ride.

    I have to remind myself all the time "Dont push it,you have _ more weeks to go"

    I also started a 10 minute ab workout but its way laid back its just to help speed up the belly removal.

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    Have you tried chewing gum while running? Some runners like it, but be careful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetta-the-hut View Post
    Thats cool, I hope to do the same but not going to push it.

    I live at the beach so we get it right off the boat,yummy!

    My heart says " I just want to finish" but my mind says " if you drop the weight, you could place top 5" Its like an internal battle!

    I have found that I find peace when running, I have never been a runner but I think I am enjoying it as much as cycling now.

    my goal for the end of the 8 weeks and the running is to be able to run the whole distance without walking and not be outta breath.

    I did change my workout plan to get on board with BT's schedule I ran my mile walked half way again and then 30 second sprints-jog-30 second sprint a 1/4 of the way back home and walked the last 1/4 to cool down. I did 32 minutes I have no idea how far it all was, Suprisingly it was after a 20 minute bike ride.

    I have to remind myself all the time "Dont push it,you have _ more weeks to go"

    I also started a 10 minute ab workout but its way laid back its just to help speed up the belly removal.

    You need to give yourself more time, 8 weeks from couch potato is tough.

    I would start going longer on the bike rides, if you haven't been fit on your bike i would recommend you do that immediately. Biking and swimming are sure fire ways to drop weight without the pounding on your knees.

    A quick google search found this easy to use couch to 5k running program, http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

    this is going to aide greatly in preventing injuries, "run today so you can run tomorrow" would be a good saying to keep fresh in your mind.

    As for running with water drink a bit before you start and a bunch afterwards, try to drink a LOT of water ALL day long to keep yourself hydrated. I don't really find myself thirsty through any of my runs.

    Good luck w/ the sprint!

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    that is a good article but I am short on time and I wasn't a true coach potato I walk alot at work and have done some sports since the fall, but I have found that if I just jog at an even pace and just add alittle distance to each run gradually over time I'll be slimmed down,and be able to run the whole 3 miles and not walk. I've tried to walk in the middle, it throws everything off.

    Some might say I'm headed for a burn out but I dont care I have a specific goal and I plan on being at that by week 6 and then work on speed. I have actually slowed down on my cycling and need to bring it back.

    I'm thinking I might altenate between nights, cycle 3 outta 6 and run 3 outta 6, not sure if I wanna try that just yet.

    Thanks for the advice I do listen to everything the guys have posted and I've got a workout plan figured out, and for once I think I'm going to stick to it. I have found alot of local help from friends so that has helped too.

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    Let me state beforehand...proud of you for getting into triathlons and getting into shape. Ultimately that is the best goal.

    Now, be careful trying to over-reach your goals. This being your first one you should go in with realistic marks in mind. My first tri was an Olympic. I had LOFTY goals of finishing in 2:30...NOT! I finished in 3:07. Sure I was dissappointed but once I realized that my goal was shot I began thinking about why I couldn't reach them. Naturally it all came down to the way I trained and the amount of time I had leading up to the race. I adjusted my training and last year dropped a full half hour off my time.

    So, set very attainable goals for yourself. Follow your schedule. REST on your rest days. Drink water throughout the day. Plan days to do a brick workout. Practice the transitions. Listen to your body. Practice with your nutrition. Stretch after you workout. Most of all...have fun. Make the first event a fun, learning event. If you have a chance, go watch a race before yours to get a feel of what all goes on.

    Good luck,

    Fred

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