Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Triathlon Swim / Bike / Run your thing? Drop in our new triathlon forum for the latest in training & gear. From beginner to expert, and sprint to ironman.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-29-10, 01:42 PM   #1
Dirtbagfitness
Fledgling Triathlete
Thread Starter
 
Dirtbagfitness's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hawaii
Bikes:
Posts: 74
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Bike Racing Rules

I was reading through the rules section of my upcoming tri (first time!) when I came upon this, "Common infractions include drafting, blocking and position foul on the bicycle."
I have a pretty good idea what drafting is from my swimming background. And blocking seems self-explanatory. But I have no idea what a position foul is. In swimming everyone stays put in their own lane (Except for one time in high school. That was hilarious for everyone except the poor freshman.) so you don't really have to worry about position.
I would hate to be disqualified or screw up someone else's race by doing something that is poor form out of ignorance. What is a position foul and are there any other bike race etiquette things I should be aware of?
Thanks.
Dirtbagfitness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-10, 01:53 PM   #2
cjbruin
Body by Guinness
 
cjbruin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Irvine, CA
Bikes: Specialized Allez Pro; Cervelo P2 SL; Tsunami (Converted to Fixed Gear)
Posts: 3,326
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Don't worry too much about the actual terms. All you really need to know is:

#1 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.
#2 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.
#3 - Pass on the left
#4 - Complete your pass quickly and get back over to the right. There will probably be times when some dbag decides to speed up while you are passing. Don't ride alongside him at the same speed. Drop back, wait for him to slow again (he will) and complete your pass.
#5 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.
#6 - When someone passes you, ease up for a second or two so you can drop back enough to avoid a drafting penalty
#7 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.
__________________
Fredo, you're my older brother and I love you...but don't ever take sides, with anyone, against the family again...ever.
cjbruin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-10, 04:59 PM   #3
Dirtbagfitness
Fledgling Triathlete
Thread Starter
 
Dirtbagfitness's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hawaii
Bikes:
Posts: 74
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
So what you're saying is I should stay to the right...
Dirtbagfitness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-10, 08:25 PM   #4
Quel
Senior Member
 
Quel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes:
Posts: 3,648
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm not sure amateurs ever get called for position fouls. A position foul is basically that you can't line up directly behind someone, even if you are out of the draft zone. So if someone is all the way to the right, you have to be a tiny bit to their left, and then the person behind you has to be a tiny bit to your left or right, and so on. Don't ask me why this rule exists, it just is. They call it in pros, but never heard of it called on amateurs.
Quel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-10, 06:35 AM   #5
gazelle5333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Kissimmee, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
usually the field is so packed in places, getting a positioning foul would eliminate almost everyone. Very tough to move through the pack like that without getting behind someone. Just don't form a paceline with people, use common sense, and you'll be all set
gazelle5333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-10, 11:52 AM   #6
eco
Senior Member
 
eco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Dacula, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 66
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quel View Post
I'm not sure amateurs ever get called for position fouls. A position foul is basically that you can't line up directly behind someone, even if you are out of the draft zone. So if someone is all the way to the right, you have to be a tiny bit to their left, and then the person behind you has to be a tiny bit to your left or right, and so on. Don't ask me why this rule exists, it just is. They call it in pros, but never heard of it called on amateurs.
Staggered positioning is only a rule for elite athletes. Regular amateurs aren't limited and can line up directly behind somebody as long as they are out of the draft zone.

Amateurs do certainly get called for positioning fouls all the time though. The "positioning rules" define the draft zone, right of way, position on the road to ride as well as things like staggered positioning for elites etc. etc.
eco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-10, 06:53 PM   #7
LoCPC
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 22
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gazelle5333 View Post
usually the field is so packed in places, getting a positioning foul would eliminate almost everyone. Very tough to move through the pack like that without getting behind someone. Just don't form a paceline with people, use common sense, and you'll be all set
I experience what Gazelle said here during Ironman Branson (IMB). There were many times climbing those Ozark Mtn hills, that a lot of us found ourselves bunched up. Yet, like cjbruin said, "Stay to the right unless you are passing someone." During the bike leg of IMB, we were told in the race briefing that we had 20 seconds to complete a pass when overtaking another rider. When being passed, we should drop back so there is at least four bike lengths between you and the other rider. Yet, even though I saw the refs zipping by on the back of those motorcycles, especially during the climbs when riders were bunched up, they weren't exactly out there with a tape measure ready to throw a penalty flag.

Just stay aware of those around you, and when you're ready to pass someone, drop the hammer to get around them as quickly as possible. It's also gives you momentum during the race, especially if you're doing the passing on the climbs.
LoCPC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-10, 04:12 PM   #8
jasonball
Auburn Fan
 
jasonball's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ft. Mitchell, AL/ columbus GA
Bikes: 2010 Trek 1.2
Posts: 222
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
intersting thread. question

how big or far back is the draft zone?
jasonball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-10, 04:23 PM   #9
gazelle5333
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Kissimmee, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 513
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I wanna say 10m behind and 2m to each side but I may be wrong...haven't read the rules recently
gazelle5333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-10, 04:41 PM   #10
jetta-the-hut
Senior Member
 
jetta-the-hut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 216
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonball View Post
intersting thread. question

how big or far back is the draft zone?
most races say 3 bikes lengths but i've seen it as high as 4

in my last race 2 guys were riding beside each other talking thru the bike course I had to go into the on-coming traffic lane to pass. Nothing was said, until the end of the race where i said something!
jetta-the-hut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-10, 09:04 AM   #11
adablduya
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 188
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjbruin View Post
Don't worry too much about the actual terms. All you really need to know is:

#1 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.
#2 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.
#3 - Pass on the left
#4 - Complete your pass quickly and get back over to the right. There will probably be times when some dbag decides to speed up while you are passing. Don't ride alongside him at the same speed. Drop back, wait for him to slow again (he will) and complete your pass.
#5 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.
#6 - When someone passes you, ease up for a second or two so you can drop back enough to avoid a drafting penalty
#7 - Stay to the right unless you are passing someone.


clarification / correction on point #4...

once a rider moves up onto a leading rider and enters the draft zone, the trailing rider is then obligated to complete the pass within 20 seconds. the trailing rider is not allowed to enter the draft zone and then fall back out of it for any reason. this is known as drafting.

i hate it as much as the next guy when that leading rider speeds up upon seeing he is about to be passed. doesn't matter, though; the trailing rider must complete the pass or else.
adablduya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-10, 12:59 PM   #12
Dirtbagfitness
Fledgling Triathlete
Thread Starter
 
Dirtbagfitness's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hawaii
Bikes:
Posts: 74
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks for the replies. Had my race this weekend, had fun. Also, I didn't have to worry much about the how-to-overtake portion of the rules, I was the one being overtaken. And they went over the rules more specifically in the pre-race briefing. They said what everyone here is saying. We had 15 seconds to pass, the rider being passed (me) is responsible for dropping three bike lengths back of the person in front of him or get a drafting penalty.
Dirtbagfitness is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:48 AM.