good value tri bike for beginner
today i was in a lbs and was looking at some of the tri bikes that they had. they had a felt s32 i believe with ultegra and 105 components for 1500.00. i wanted to hear from others if they thought this brand is a good brand and what may be some comparable bikes for near this price range in the tri bike category.
Felt is a great brand, but that's a lousy price for an S32. Are you sure it wasn't an S25? You can find an S32 on line for less than $1300 and if it is a 2004 or 2003 for less than $1100. I think a slightly used one sold on ebay recently for $800.
As for others to look for, if that price is your budget, look at the Cervelo One or Dual. Run $1199 and $1599 respectively. Also check out Quitana Roo. They make nice bikes but IMO their geometry is more geared to those shorter of stature.
Check out http://bikesportmichigan.com/ Great reviews of different tri bikes.
If it was my call, I'd buy the Cervelo Dual. Great reputation, great racing history, though short. Lots of value for the dollar.
Body by Guinness
Check out the Cannondale Ironman R800. Great frame, Ultegra/105 mix.
Although normally most people would agree that the S32 is the best begginer tri bike value, those people would expect it to cost 1100, thats what my local shop sells them for new anyways. But yeah if you find a shop with prices a little more inline(say under 1200) the S32 is a great bike. The new Kilos have a really aero frame and 105 components but its closer to 1400. And if you want to start your career with a bike that most people could ride in the middle of theirs try the Cervelo Dual at 1600 its an amazing bike. But yeah, check out closeouts, my local still have S22s from 2 years back that are like 400-500 reduced now.
oooh and the New Trek Equinox 7 looks amazing for a tribike at 1500, although you could get a similar component package on the S32, but damn thats a pretty frame
thanks everyone, i checked again with the bike shop and it is an s25. however, i looked on the felt website and i really like the color scheme of the 05 s25, because i like yellow. the lbs said that it would be $1800.00 for the new one but it has dura ace components. i think that this sounds like a good bargain. so with that said, what are other comparably equipped bikes for approx. 1800.00.
Body by Guinness
If that bike is full Dura-Ace for $1800, you should buy it. I think the gruppo would run you $1,300 on it's own and whatever wheels are on it would be at least $300...it's almost like you're getting a free frame.
Are you sure it isn't a mix of components? That just sounds like an amazing price to me.
Yeah the S25 comes DA Front & Rear Der., Cassette and shifters. FSA BB and Crank. Tektro brakes. It is an amazing grouppo however, the aero and handlebars are fairly basic for 1800 as well as the frame seems to be outdone by everyother makers bikes from bottom to top.
Here is the Tequilo which is an 1900 dollar bike and comes 10 speed Ultegra equipped with the same crank, shifters and BB as the S25. I think the aerobars and frame on the Tequilo cover the gap that the S25 puts on it with the deraillers and cassette. by the way this bike also Carbon seatstays for what thats worth.
Heres a review of all the bikes in the 1500-1800 range by slowtwitch... http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadin...ricetri05.html
thanks again everyone for the advice. i was wondering if anyone knew of any tri mail order catalogs that i could order to look at all of the tri goodies to buy.
Not mail order, but here are some good websites to get started. They have all the goodies you may need.
BTW, the 2005 Felt S32 looks great, even though I'd still go for the Cervelo Dual like I wrote before.
i'm sorry i have so many questions but does anyone know if there is some way that i can see where pools are located in my area to join so that i can swim. i know the ymca has a pool but i do not like our ymca facilities in the area.
Industrial Strength BS
I would try http://www.insideoutsports.com. That store is in cary and they probably have more stuff than anywhere for triathletes. Plus they are NC owned and do all of the official support for the Ironman Series. For pools, I might check the website of the City of Hickory. Most municipalities have some sort of public pool somewhere. Is Hickory fairly close to you?
yes hickory is close and i checked their website but there pools are only open during the summer time as they are all outdoor pools. i think i am going to have to join the y as the only other pool in my area is in lenoir with a masters swimming group and that is over 40 minutes away. i don't want to drive that far to swim as it would likely not happen very often. so i will join the ymca here, i can even ride my bike there as it is only about 5 miles away from the house.
Industrial Strength BS
I don't know how far you are from Valdese, but there is a covered pool there where they have the indoor swim for the tri. It was fairly nice when I was there last year. If you don't know where it is but you can get the directions from the race web site.
try checking out http://gear.trifuel.com. I just rebuilt the gear guide and have tried to make a fairly comprehension guide of all the bikes, aerobars, wheelsets, accessories, etc that are tailored for the triathlete. There are also several reviews and rating from other triathletes. I'm always adding new products so let me know if I'm missing anything. I think the Felts are great bikes, and the Cervelo's are pretty popular on the site.
On Your Right
Has anyone here had a chance to ride the Equinox 7 yet? I saw one at the lbs eariler this week and have been lusting over it ever since. In fact we're working a deal with the lbs to buy 4 of them assuming we like the way it rides, etc.
The Dual by Cervelo is in my opinion the best deal at that price range.
FULL ULTEGRA, 1499$, nice pair of wheels, strong frame.
Are you looking for a road bike to do tris?? If you go this route - you can have a bike for both road riding and Tri's. If you are sure you want something that is Tri specific - then you are looking at a frame geometry that places you more forward (something close to a 78 degree seat tube angle) - and really made for the aerobar position. Some bikes like the Trek TT (the Lance time Trial Bike) use a 73.x degree seat tube angle so it is Tour legal and something that is not that differnt from the road bike geometry that they spend more of their time on. So if you go Tri specific, it's not really something you can use in local club rides or riding in a pack. This is a tough decision - but if your are just starting out the road bike used as a tri bike is more practical. When I started in tris (back in the mid 1980's) I had a crappy old Schwinn to which I added aerobars and Mavic wheels. I used this set-up for 3-years and still placed in the top 20% - so like Lance say's - It's not about the bike. But if you are looking at a new bike "FIT" is everthing - so make damn sure you are comfortable on it. Too many people are just in the WRONG bike because of poor fit, which = poor performance and an unhappy bike owner. Remember fit has alot to do with your frame choice, some top tube lengths just don't work for everyone, so be very alert to FRAME GEOMETRY, and what really works best for you - NOT what paint job looks the coolest.
If you have never done a Tri - any road bike you can beg, borrow or dig out of your basement can help get your feet wet in the sport. But the problem with buying a lower end bike is that you can sick of it soon enough and if you find out you really like Tris - most then look to then upgrade the bike before buying a new one, or wish they just jumped to a mid-priced bike.
If you have your mind set on a Tri-specific bike (for just $600 - $700 more than you planned on spending) I would suggest looking at the Cannondale Ironman 2000 -
Cannondale is making a strong comeback with this frame - and if you look at the link below you will note that Aluminum is what most used at Kona in 2003. The Cannondale IM 2000 uses the same "Slice Aero frame" as the 5000/6000 at 1/2 the price. So for just under $2,500 you have a pretty sweet ride that is silly light and has frame that is proven at Ironman Hawaii for the last 2-years to be in the top-10 fastest bikes. More importantly with Ultrega components it is "race ready" I just don't think the 105 stuff that is on the 800 (although the same slice aero frame) is even close.
I own a Cannondale IM 5000 and I can tell you that this bike is damn fast, stiff and handles great. I have used the 5000 in several 1/2 IM's and a ton of Time Trial races and is my wepon of choice for the shorter stuff. The main difference between the 2-models (5000/6000 vs 2000) is wheels (Zipp vs Mavic) and drivetrain (Dura Ace vs Ultrega). You will have no buyers regret with this choice.
Who's riding what at Ironman Hawaii??
(2003 was the the last year I did Ironman Hawaii)
Now I'm no salesman but If you think about, most of the bikes at Kona are $5,000 - $11,000 price range... so if you consider this the "High End" - then $2,500 ain't so bad, placing you at a mid level tri-bike. Even at many 1/2 IM's you see some pretty high end rides. A quality pair of wheels like the Zipp Z404's are like $3,000 - so for less than a set high end wheel set you get a complete Tri-specific bike.
Last edited by MHR; 01-21-05 at 01:59 AM.
i love my dual.
i can't believe i got such a great bike for $1500 .
and as far as not being able to ride it in group rides: why not?
what 's the difference between having your shifters on the ends of the aerobars, or on the down tube?
are down tube shifters illegal ? no.
of course, i'm talking about riding on the pursuit bars with your hands near the brakes.
if you're down in the aerobars in a pace line shame on you.
but if i'm on the pursuit bars near the brakes , i have no problem riding my dual in a group.
matter of fact, I really hate going back to STI after using the bar ends.
I'm going to switch my road bike back to down tubes or bar ends.
Originally Posted by miater
True about the DUAL!
I was proffesionally fitted on mine and... never found it to be comfortable while sitting up (hands on the pursuit bars)!
The group rides I've done (always on my road bike) require everything you want from a safe ride (comfy position for long rides, quick shifting/braking etc.)...
Besides, for best results you have to "train how you race"!
MHR's post was very helpful! THANKS! So this now comes down to a question (and I hope I'm not robbing this thread . . . sorry if I am!): Because of the frame geometry which puts you more forward on a tri bike, more flexibility is required(?). Given proper fitting of a road bike and a comparable tri bike, how much time or speed are you really gaining from a tri bike versus modified road bike?
Cyclingmaniac who is getting wet!
[QUOTE=Cyclingmaniac]MHR's post was very helpful! THANKS! So this now comes down to a question (and I hope I'm not robbing this thread . . . sorry if I am!): Because of the frame geometry which puts you more forward on a tri bike, more flexibility is required(?). Given proper fitting of a road bike and a comparable tri bike, how much time or speed are you really gaining from a tri bike versus modified road bike?
1. Flexibility, yes but core strength becomes important as well, in that after being in the "aero position" you need to run. So it comes down to how radical your position really is - or - how low and how forward your body can get before your riding form and power output is compromised. You will know when it becomes difficult to hold your head up looking forward or maybe when your lower back starts to arch - these are things your bike fit person will look for in attempting to optimize your aero position.
2. Advantage? It really depends on the person, the distance your are trying to compare with and the speed in which you ride. Aero isn't an advantage until you get to speed, how fast? The faster the more the advantage (how that for an answer from an aerospace engineer). Also, the longer the bike distance the more the advantage (not counting weather conditions). Back in the day (the 1980's when I started in Tri's) the only thing the pros had were road bikes. Dave Scott and many others did it on a stock road bike for the most part and rode some pretty good times. Then Kestrel hit the seen with their 4000 model, the first carbon ride to show-up at Kona (and we triathletes at the time made the rodies, and the Tour de France guys look and take notice - looking at what we were doing with "Aero" and technology even if they wern't convinced). Aero bars with the forearm pads really came from the event Race Across America (RAMM).
I still have an old cycle magazine from the late 1980's that has an article that says - yes - triathletes are faster - how you can become fast too. Today - Kestrel the company that started it all is still around and still has a following today. I even owned a 4000 and had a KM40 for a while, nice bikes!
Technology however (as cool as it is), can only get you so much, and there is alot to be said for having a nice high end, trouble free, smooth, new bike under you in a race - it's just one less thing you have to worry about. The rest is really up to you - your ability, training, how much pain your body can deal with over time, and how well you can tolerate elements like heat and wind. Look at the TdF today - and what they use, they are all on TT bikes for the time trial legs (for the most part) - however, Lance did use the Trek SSL in a mountain TT stage. But then again - seconds seperate these riders.
High tech aero could actually be a disadvantage on a windy day due to the large cross section of the frame. There are many cases of people being blown over in Kona due to the bad and legendary winds, and part of the reason Disc wheels aren't allowed in Kona at IM.
Given a choice which would I be on?
Well I have that choice and I choose "Aero" - I will be on my Trek-TT over my road bike in a Triathlon, and my road bike is a Trek Madone 5.9. Both are very high end bikes - both custom fit for me by one of the very best in the business. Both bikes are nearly the same geometry too, but the frames & wheels are very different animals (and the Madone 5.9 actually weighs less). Also, as far as road bike go - the Madone 5.9 is the most areo road frame available.
See my Toys here: What road bike do you have?
Last edited by MHR; 02-04-05 at 07:05 PM.