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Old 09-28-07, 04:27 PM   #276
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Most towns (not Charleston, though) are flat. 3-speeds are perfect for that, since they are geared appropriately to start from a stop on flat land, and to put on some speed on the flats in gear 3.

Also, you can climb moderate hills with a 3-speed.

The vast majority of bike riders don't have daily hills to climb, so keep that in mind. In a city like Charleston, you are better off with a derailer bike with 24+ speeds.
Remember when it comes to steep hills you can always get off and walk. The classic 3 speed and single speed bikes were always refered to as 'pushbikes' in Britian and her former colonies and this gives the clue to their use. It's a great way to get around and ever since I was a youngster I've used these sort of bikes to explore the countryside. Getting off and walking gives one a chance to use different muscle groups and to catch one's breath. Sawing away at the lowest gear on a 21 speed while barely maintaining forward motion is not my idea of cycling.
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How do people in hilly, not to say mountainous, areas manage with three speeds? There are many streets in my town that cars struggle up, and are difficult for 21- or 24-speeds. How do three-speeds or even singlespeeds manage?
the more you ride, the more you can ride.
a 3 speed can be geared lower - but the relationship from low to high is fixed.
theres also no harm in walking.

check out this chart on gearing


an 8 spd internal hub is quite useful in hilly terrain - the nexus has a 305% range from low to high.
the advantage of a '24' speed drivetrain is typically relatively closely spaced gears for lots of options for spinning in many situations.
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Remember when it comes to steep hills you can always get off and walk.
If I wanted to hike, I would hike.
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How do people in hilly, not to say mountainous, areas manage with three speeds? There are many streets in my town that cars struggle up, and are difficult for 21- or 24-speeds. How do three-speeds or even singlespeeds manage?

For the most part, they manage same way those who ride 21- or 24-speeds: They don't commute or regularly ride on such streets, period.
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The vast majority of bike riders don't have daily hills to climb, so keep that in mind.
And if most people had difficult hills to climb daily, they wouldn't be cycling daily at all on such routes, no matter which bicycle equipment was available.

3 speeds can work just fine over the type of terrain/distance that most people (especially non cycling enthusiast) would ever consider bicycle commuting or utility cycling as a viable option.
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"Bring back the English 3-speed"?

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MSRP $370.

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For the most part, they manage same way those who ride 21- or 24-speeds: They don't commute or regularly ride on such streets, period.


And if most people had difficult hills to climb daily, they wouldn't be cycling daily at all on such routes, no matter which bicycle equipment was available.

3 speeds can work just fine over the type of terrain/distance that most people (especially non cycling enthusiast) would ever consider bicycle commuting or utility cycling as a viable option.
But what if one is committed to a car-free or at least car-lite lifestyle? (Which might be forced on us sooner than we think if some of the Peak Oil people's scenarios come to pass.) Is the only answer, if one lives in a hilly town, like Charleston (WV, not SC) or San Francisco, to move? (I've never been there, but I'm told that Portland, OR is a very hilly town, yet it also has a reputation as being very much a town where a car-free or car-lite lifestyle is very viable.)
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But what if one is committed to a car-free or at least car-lite lifestyle? (Which might be forced on us sooner than we think if some of the Peak Oil people's scenarios come to pass.) Is the only answer, if one lives in a hilly town, like Charleston (WV, not SC) or San Francisco, to move? (I've never been there, but I'm told that Portland, OR is a very hilly town, yet it also has a reputation as being very much a town where a car-free or car-lite lifestyle is very viable.)
Car free purists can do like the vast majority of other car free folk do; use public transportation.

It is the availability of access to good public transportion (at least as a backup) that makes a voluntary car-free lifestyle viable for most people. The availabilty of public transport as a backup also significantly improves the viability of the bicycle as a practical vehicle for most year round transportation for those "committed to a car-free lifestyle."
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Car free purists can do like the vast majority of other car free folk do; use public transportation.
What public transportation? Unless you live in NY or Chicago or a few other major cities, we don't have public transportation in the US.
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"Bring back the English 3-speed"?

Schwinn did:



MSRP $370.

http://www.schwinnbike.com/products/...il.php?id=1027
Ooooooo that's nice I want one!

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And if most people had difficult hills to climb daily, they wouldn't be cycling daily at all on such routes, no matter which bicycle equipment was available.
Yeah maybe, but that's just because most car inhabiting folk are too lazy to get out of their own way. I live in a country district and I regularly chat with the older folk around town who are keen to tell me their cycling stories. A very common theme is how they would cycle 30 miles or so to visit their intended when they were courting when they were younger. I also have had quite a few elderly ladies tell me that they were cycling for regular transport until recently, but only gave up due to the increase in numbers of large truck and trailer units on the road. Anyway it's only going to be a matter of time before the car inhabiting folk are going to have to give up their tin boxes and re-learn how to walk. One of the main routes in the district (through a stunningly beautiful gorge) was closed off last night due to bad weather and it was soooooooo nice to hear the rain falling without the sound of trucks rumbling by to ruin it.

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Lighten up Elkhound bicycling is supposed to be fun. Part of my joy in riding a bike is being able to pause on a hill to admire the view. Otherwise you might as well stop at home with a wind trainer and a widescreen telly playing DVDs of great highways of the world.
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I think we are going to be seeing more and more of these

KHS has one but no pricing....yet.

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I'm so happy that they started making real bikes again. Now, if they would only bring back British sports cars as well.

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KHS doesn't make an expensive bike. I'm thinking this one will be affordable.
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KHS doesn't make an expensive bike. I'm thinking this one will be affordable.
I got RevChuck checking on it for me....it was listed as a 2007 model on the website but no MSRP and he doesn't have anything on them either. I actually prefer the aesthetics of the Schwinn (except the color) but they haven't listed any frame sizes. If it came in basic black or red or? The current color scheme looks like an old department store Huffy.

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They have; but now they are made in Japan and are reliable, i.e the original Miyata and a host of other fine cars from Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, etc.
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Yeah maybe, but that's just because most car inhabiting folk are too lazy to get out of their own way. I live in a country district and I regularly chat with the older folk around town who are keen to tell me their cycling stories. A very common theme is how they would cycle 30 miles or so to visit their intended when they were courting when they were younger. I also have had quite a few elderly ladies tell me that they were cycling for regular transport until recently, but only gave up due to the increase in numbers of large truck and trailer units on the road.
Did they also tell you how they walked uphill to and from school in the snow year round too?

This is the utility cycling forum and car free "credentials" are not required for membership.
I suggest you and other posters of rants, generalizations, and stereotypes about lazy people/most car inhabiting folk take 'em to the car free list.
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Did they also tell you how they walked uphill to and from school in the snow year round too?
Yep, - and they used to crawl all the way on broken glass too and had to live in a cardboard box

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They have; but now they are made in Japan and are reliable, i.e the original Miyata and a host of other fine cars from Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, etc.
Minor nitpick: It's spelled Miata... and if Wikipedia is to be believed (), the word is actually GERMAN in origin, not Japanese. (I suspected you thought the word was Japanese, due to your spelling it "Miyata.")

But, yes, the two main examples of the modern British sports car are the Mazda MX-5 (since model year 1990) and the Honda S2000 (since model year 2000). Both made by the Japanese, both reliable.
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Sit on a nettle did ya Mister?
Nope just doing my part to steering you where your assumptions about cyclists' lifestyles/self righteousness might be shared.
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I haven't read all 12 pages - I've scanned about half of them. My question is does anyone have one of the Eastman of India Raleigh DL-1 copies as upgraded and available here?


Of course this is the classic pushbike - with the traditional pushbike handlebar and rod brakes - the modern versions by Schwinn and Pacebike are probably nicer rides.
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I actually prefer the aesthetics of the Schwinn (except the color) but they haven't listed any frame sizes. If it came in basic black or red or? The current color scheme looks like an old department store Huffy.
Aaron, is the Schwinn a single speed? I'm not seeing a gear shifter or a 3rd cable.
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Aaron, is the Schwinn a single speed? I'm not seeing a gear shifter or a 3rd cable.
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I wondered about that too, but the written spec calls out a SRAM I-motion 3-speed Coaster Brake...I like the fact it has 700c wheels and a straight top bar.
Edit:it does show on the ladies frame. I think those are artists renditions rather than actual photos, now why a coaster brake when it has front and rear calipers???

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I actually like the paint job of the girly version better. And look - shifter cables!

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Of course this is the classic pushbike - with the traditional pushbike handlebar and rod brakes - the modern versions by Schwinn and Pacebike are probably nicer rides.
I own a "Wu Yang' Chinese copy of the Raleigh DL-1 in totally un-upgraded form and it's a teeeerrific bike to own and ride. These bikes are extremely reliable, but the note on Yellow Jersey's website about the quality of the paint and plating needs to be bourne in mind. I've owned my bike for over 10 years now from new and a good and regular wipe down with an oily rag helps to keep things nice.
I love rod brakes and if they are setup properly are completely reliable.
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Sawing away at the lowest gear on a 21 speed while barely maintaining forward motion is not my idea of cycling.
Exactly! That is something that I have never understood. Why sit there churning away when one can walk faster and with less effort. It is as if there is some physical law that says you can't get off the bike and push. Thus, we have added needless chainrings, triple derailleurs, etc.
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Exactly! That is something that I have never understood. Why sit there churning away when one can walk faster and with less effort. It is as if there is some physical law that says you can't get off the bike and push. Thus, we have added needless chainrings, triple derailleurs, etc.
Because pushing the bike by hand is harder on the back. Also, shoes that are good for cycling tend to be terrible for walking, and vice versa.
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