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Old 12-30-07, 01:24 PM   #426
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vey... The longer head tube on the Raleigh is because it's a taller bike while the head tube angle itself is the same as the Kuwahara.

The things that make them different are the stem and bar combinations they use and if I was to change the stem and bars on the Kuwahara to those used on the Raleigh I would have nearly identical bikes but they do serve different purposes.

I still enjoy a fairly upright and very comfortable position on the Kuwahara and a little more forward weight is beneficial for slogging through the snow as it distributes my weight more evenly...it has been my primary commuter since the snow starting falling.
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vey... The longer head tube on the Raleigh is because it's a taller bike while the head tube angle itself is the same as the Kuwahara.

The things that make them different are the stem and bar combinations they use and if I was to change the stem and bars on the Kuwahara to those used on the Raleigh I would have nearly identical bikes but they do serve different purposes.

I still enjoy a fairly upright and very comfortable position on the Kuwahara and a little more forward weight is beneficial for slogging through the snow as it distributes my weight more evenly...it has been my primary commuter since the snow starting falling.
Actually the angles look steeper on the Kuwarhara, and noting the fork shape the trail is also different. Except for the longer chainstays it looks a lot like the geometry on my Bianchi which is a lot more twitchy then my Dunelt. I have a bit of a balance problem in my old age and I can tell the difference very easily, I have to concentrate to ride the Bianchi. Such bicycles are really designed to carry an appreciable proportion of the riders weigh on the handlebars. Even my Dunelt, and your Raleigh, require a bit of your weight on the bars; the bars are just a bit too short to allow the full upright riding position of the Dutch type bikes.

I may go back to the 32-700 tires on my Bianchi, as the 41-700's make it a bit more twitchy than with the stock size tires due to the increase in trail, But back when I put them on the bike they were one of the very few Kevlar belted tires available and they keep me from having flats on the way to work, and I was a bit younger.

A point I do not think most folks understand is that very minor changes in geometry cause reletively great changes in handling. A 2 degree difference it angles is extreme. A quarter inch change in trail makes the bike handle completely different than it did before. Even a 1/2 inch change in tire diameter like on my Bianchi is pretty extreme.

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A point I do not think most folks understand is that very minor changes in geometry cause reletively great changes in handling. A 2 degree difference it angles is extreme. A quarter inch change in trail makes the bike handle completely different than it did before. Even a 1/2 inch change in tire diameter like on my Bianchi is pretty extreme.
Very true. I made some changes to my Breezer, and it's quite a different riding experience. I like it, but I'm noticing that it's giving a workout to different muscle groups than before and I'm riding slower.
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Hey D !

I was just looking to find pictures of your bike as it is an excellent example of how the changes you made to your your bike really make a difference in how the bike rides / feels / performs.
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I was just looking to find pictures of your bike as it is an excellent example of how the changes you made to your your bike really make a difference in how the bike rides / feels / performs.
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I had a beautiful black Raleigh with a 3-speed Sturmey Archer internal hub. I enjoyed its simplicity and the comfort of that bike. It was stolen many years ago. However, it taught me to always to remember to lock my bikes and/or the garage.

It brings back sweet memories thinking about that bike!
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I grew up with these kinds of bikes and that is what inspired me to find one of my own... it took some time to find the perfect "it has to green" three speed...

Now I long for those summer days and warm summer nights when I can take my Superbe out for leisurely rides in the valley.

Today, I am going to make due with some winter riding on the snow covered singletrack and trails and do some work on my 1955 Raleigh Lenton which is not a three speed.

It's a two speed.
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You know all these posts seem to be working on the assumption that these wonderful old bikes are no longer being made by Raleigh. Maybe not made in Nottingham, but look at this:

http://www.raleigh.co.uk/bikedetails.aspx?ID=689

It isn't the Sport but it is pretty darned close! Lets say its the closest living family member....

Granted, these aren't available in the US market but I bet you could find a UK dealer kind enough to ship one to the US. If you live in the UK, well then go get one !!
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What's it got a funny looking sloping top tube for?
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You know all these posts seem to be working on the assumption that these wonderful old bikes are no longer being made by Raleigh. Maybe not made in Nottingham, but look at this:

http://www.raleigh.co.uk/bikedetails.aspx?ID=689

It isn't the Sport but it is pretty darned close! Lets say its the closest living family member....

Granted, these aren't available in the US market but I bet you could find a UK dealer kind enough to ship one to the US. If you live in the UK, well then go get one !!
They have some really nice bikes .... I like the Premire Elite 1... Nice 7 speed... Sounds like it has an aluminum frame on it though.. They just say alloy..
Too bad we can't get them here... My Roadster is getting long in the tooth :-)
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I love the decorations and the bike is pretty sweet too... I can only wonder with a bike that is as nice as that one if you have room in your heart for another one.

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Well, mine came yesterday (12/26/07) including the shiney 40 holer. However I do have some question in my mind about the viability of the polished rim when used with rim brakes. I think they will be scuffed up quit soon. I have to get some more parts in before building the wheels though.
Ha, having looked at them I see that the brake surface is not polished, just the area where the spokes go. Thought I would mention that in case some other folks did not know. I have received everything but I seem to have ordered the wrong nipples, these are long ones, I ordered some more and am waiting on them. Oh well, as long as I get them built by spring...
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What's it got a funny looking sloping top tube for?
So, people who are afraid they will fall over can lower the saddle to were they can paddle around like it was a hobbyhorse. Thanks for the straight line
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Very true. I made some changes to my Breezer, and it's quite a different riding experience. I like it, but I'm noticing that it's giving a workout to different muscle groups than before and I'm riding slower.
Slower? As in you get to spend more time riding your bike in the course of your daily errands? I suppose you take 45-minute lunch breaks, too, slacker! Perhaps a carbon-fiber stem or something would make you more competitive.

On Dutch bikes I've noticed that my mid-back muscles are worked more (occasionally sore). This after years of developing the other muscles necessary to climb/accelerate snappily in more typical forward-leaning postures.
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Slower? As in you get to spend more time riding your bike in the course of your daily errands? I suppose you take 45-minute lunch breaks, too, slacker! Perhaps a carbon-fiber stem or something would make you more competitive.

On Dutch bikes I've noticed that my mid-back muscles are worked more (occasionally sore). This after years of developing the other muscles necessary to climb/accelerate snappily in more typical forward-leaning postures.
I thought I might say something about seat/bottem-bracket relationships. No, not that kind of relationship!

Folks are so into racing type bicycles today that many have never ridden a roadster type bicycle much if at all, so they do not realize your body works in an entirely different way on the two different types. As you lean forward and move you feet back the load moves down the legs and depends upon spinning to supply power. As you sit more upright and your feet move forward you use your back to supply power at a slower cadence. If you want to get technical spinning gives higher horsepower while pushing gives higher torque.

In Donna's case she moved the seat and handlebars back so almost automatically slowed her cadence. What she may not have discovered is that she can now use a higher gear and get most of her speed back. The spinners are always telling you that using too high a gear or standing can damage your knees. What the do not realize is that their bike layout is causing that. They have to use the muscles in the front of the thigh and caves, so put tremendous pressure on the knee when they use too high a gear. The pusher with the seat farther back uses the muscles in the back and back of the thigh putting much less pressure on the knee, and pedaling standing up is almost like climbing a stair you are using your weight to move the bike.

There is one advantage to spinning in that seat forward position, it is mostly aerobic so you can do it for a long time. The pusher position is more like lifting weights and uses block muscle that tires quickly.
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Well, here's my daily commuter and 3 speed, which started out as a Hiawatha made by Raleigh.



Modernized with:

Alloy 700c rims (now fits max 700x28c tires with stock fenders)
Sturmey Archer XFDD Dynamo Drum generator hub with drum brake
Alloy seatpost/stem/bars

With the modern components, it is a completely different bike. I must have taken about 10lbs off of it. It accelerates better, it stops better, and is easier to carry up the stairs.
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Well, here's my daily commuter and 3 speed, which started out as a Hiawatha made by Raleigh.



Modernized with:

Alloy 700c rims (now fits max 700x28c tires with stock fenders)
Sturmey Archer XFDD Dynamo Drum generator hub with drum brake
Alloy seatpost/stem/bars

With the modern components, it is a completely different bike. I must have taken about 10lbs off of it. It accelerates better, it stops better, and is easier to carry up the stairs.
That is very nice. About what I thought I was going to do with the Raleigh before I found the frame problems. Oh well, the alloy rims are now on the Dunelt (I do not notice all that much change in performance) although I really wanted to keep it as stock as possible. Maybe this is better because I think the Dunnie has an English headset and bottom bracket. I have an alloy crank I can use, one with a proper old-time look, but have not decided what to do about the bottom bracket.
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Well, here's my daily commuter and 3 speed, which started out as a Hiawatha made by Raleigh.



Modernized with:

Alloy 700c rims (now fits max 700x28c tires with stock fenders)
Sturmey Archer XFDD Dynamo Drum generator hub with drum brake
Alloy seatpost/stem/bars

With the modern components, it is a completely different bike. I must have taken about 10lbs off of it. It accelerates better, it stops better, and is easier to carry up the stairs.
It's a nice blend of the new and the old. Perhaps what Raleigh would have made with today's technology.

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I quite fancy a Raleigh Special...

...or perhaps a Schwinn SS-X...

I often see cruisers with a few gears for about half the price, but I can't help wondering what compromises have been made to lower the price.

As a boy I used to ride British bikes with Sturmey-Archer three-speed and they always seemed to have one "slip gear". :-)
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I quite fancy a Raleigh Special...

...or perhaps a Schwinn SS-X...

I often see cruisers with a few gears for about half the price, but I can't help wondering what compromises have been made to lower the price.
They are being made in China...some are better built than others...even with in the same name brand.

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As a boy I used to ride British bikes with Sturmey-Archer three-speed and they always seemed to have one "slip gear". :-)
Those are the old Sturmey Archer hubs, the new ones built in Taiwan are a new design and have eliminated that problem.

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As a boy I used to ride British bikes with Sturmey-Archer three-speed and they always seemed to have one "slip gear". :-)
Actually it was a neutral position so you could switch to the other cluster in the 4 and 5 speed hubs. With things properly adjusted it did not cause problems. With things not properly adjusted....

The consumer safety types most likely have made them not make newer hubs that way.
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Here's one with a nice looking front rack.


Must be something wrong with my eyes. I could have sworn that the chainguard was on the LHS in the earlier pix.
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Here's one with a nice looking front rack.
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They are being made in China...some are better built than others...even with in the same name brand.
The really cheap department store bikes, or the Raleigh and the Schwinn?
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