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    I love my 8sp Nexus hub here in Portland, but if I were riding where I grew up in SE Michigan, I'd be perfectly happy with a 3sp hub.
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    I would love if some company would make a modern frame with horizontal drop-outs, with welded or really sturdy fenders, and a rack integrated to the frame. Add to that disk and v-brake mounts in option and if would make hell of a bike! And that available either in 26 or 700 wheel sizes.

    I'm pretty sure there is a market for it in North-America, and it's definitely growing. Heck, if there was such a frame available, I'd buy it right now!

    Today I had a meeting with my family and they all wanted a bike like mine, with fenders, rack. They say back in the time they all had 3 speeds and that knowing they are now available in 8 speed and much lighter, they were very interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluc View Post
    I would love if some company would make a modern frame with horizontal drop-outs, with welded or really sturdy fenders, and a rack integrated to the frame. Add to that disk and v-brake mounts in option and if would make hell of a bike! And that available either in 26 or 700 wheel sizes.

    I'm pretty sure there is a market for it in North-America, and it's definitely growing. Heck, if there was such a frame available, I'd buy it right now!

    Today I had a meeting with my family and they all wanted a bike like mine, with fenders, rack. They say back in the time they all had 3 speeds and that knowing they are now available in 8 speed and much lighter, they were very interested.
    Kogswell?



    Dutch?
    how about a secret service?


    or an oma or opa?




    both in 3spd or 8spd

    or, by modern do you mean something like this:

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    And don't forget the Breezers Though I do have a Staiger Florida (not internal gears, but you have to take what you can get around here) I think most people that get nostalgic still think they can get a Raleigh Sports for $79.95 but forget what that was worth in 1970's dollars ($425 today) I think we will be seeing an increase in the availability of utility bikes.

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    or, by modern do you mean something like this:


    OH GAWD THATS UGLY! why why why do bike makers make bikes that look so ugly?

    now that Kogswell is a thing of beauty, clean simple lines, no guady decals or colors, simple functional elegance - more bikes like this please:

    You ride a bike, we GET IT, no need to rant about it or look down on others....its JUST A BIKE...get over yourselves.

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    That Kogswell is a beauty!

    By modern I meant not a rescued bike from the 70's. Always loved the Secret Service too but for some reasons it juts looks old. It's classy and everything, maybe it could use a fresher color.

    Also all these are available in kit only, good and bad wether you already have all the pieces on another bike.

    Plus I believe it should be made somewhere in North-America. I don't really like the idea of importing all these bikes. Would make new jobs here, lower carbon emissions and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluc View Post
    That Kogswell is a beauty!

    By modern I meant not a rescued bike from the 70's. Always loved the Secret Service too but for some reasons it juts looks old. It's classy and everything, maybe it could use a fresher color.

    Also all these are available in kit only, good and bad wether you already have all the pieces on another bike.

    Plus I believe it should be made somewhere in North-America. I don't really like the idea of importing all these bikes. Would make new jobs here, lower carbon emissions and all that.
    would be nice, i agree, but bringing over a container of bikes is pretty cheap on the carbon front.
    someday... when folks in NA realize that we need to make stuff.

    but... all that steel, aluminum, and other nat resources come from somewhere...


    custom color is available on the dutch bikes... for a cost, of course. i think the classic black is well... classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushman View Post
    or, by modern do you mean something like this:

    OH GAWD THATS UGLY! why why why do bike makers make bikes that look so ugly?
    yes it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushman View Post
    now that Kogswell is a thing of beauty, clean simple lines, no guady decals or colors, simple functional elegance - more bikes like this please:
    here's my ride... (not cheap...)

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    ^beautiful!

    does that rear satbag have a metal strut support underneath?
    You ride a bike, we GET IT, no need to rant about it or look down on others....its JUST A BIKE...get over yourselves.

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    bmike: what are those lights you have on your fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushman View Post
    ^beautiful!

    does that rear satbag have a metal strut support underneath?
    Probably a Bagman rack

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    [QUOTE/]BTW: who's that playing the Ricky bass in your Avatar? I can't make it out.[/QUOTE]

    I just noticed that after reading your post! I love Ricky basses and have owned MANY over the last few years....PM me and we can talk....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushman View Post
    ^beautiful!

    does that rear satbag have a metal strut support underneath?
    its a carradice SQR tour bag. has a metal rack that is above the bag, with a block on the seatpost for quick removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everichon View Post
    bmike: what are those lights you have on your fork?
    dual E6 lights, powered by a schmidt hub.




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    http://s42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...t=IMG_0308.jpg

    This is my grandfather's bike. I'm turned 41 this year so I know it's at least THAT old since I remember him always having this thing! lol It has been stored in dust and out of service for at least the last 20 years. I just took it out last week after pumping up the tires. They've held air so far. I need to lube the rear hub next and clean the rest of it up.

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    I just finished this buildup with a hub I got for $5 at the Refuse Transfer Station. It was on a '65 Raleigh Sport, which was pretty rusty, so I stuck it under the house for later.... The frame is a 7 speed roadie which was a good bike in its day - columbus steel and all. The rest either came with the roadie or was in my spares box, except for the Seatpost and Stem which are new, and the S-A shifter & cable/pulleys, which were NOS on ebay. Oh and of course the rims were built up at the LBS. A nice thing to do if you have an old frame thats just too good to throw out.


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    my favorite bike as a kid was my dad's old 3-speed raleigh. I don't ever remember wishing i had more than three gears. It had fenders, a dorky bell, chainguard. Worked great until i left it behind his car, and nmy dad ran it over backing out of the garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmike View Post
    dual E6 lights, powered by a schmidt hub.



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    Man, I LOVE those lights. Imagine using LED lights and having the hub power four or maybe SIX of those lights.

    With today's low energy LED lights, you could turn your bicycle into a 1960's British Mods bike (as in Mods vs. Rockers).

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    3 speeds

    Beginning during my time on the East Coast about 10 years ago, I've really enjoyed the British 3 speeds, and I think they are good cheap transportation for relatively flat towns and neighborhoods. I have two '65 Raleigh Sports models, one '71 Raleigh LTD-3, and a 1937 Phillips City Model recently brought back fromt he dead. That those old S/A hubs still work is a testament to their build quality (so is their weight!). The odd sizing causes some pain, but treat them well and they will always be there for errands and stylish slow riding. I use '65 Sports for riding with the kid. I've attached a photo of the bike with her Bobike seat in Tiburon.

    I think the singlespeed - either built up or bought new - is the new utility bike. I ride my Raleigh One-Way everywhere without a second thought. It just goes. You can always build one with townie bars and a springy seat and even fenders as an homage to british and Dutch bikes. Now that Brooks saddles are widely available, you can really use the 3speeds as an inspiration for single speed or internal hub simplicity.

    If one has more money, the Kogswell P/R is ready to build to your liking. I'm getting a low trail fork for my Kogswell P58 to add another set-up for functionality.
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    Is that your bobike in the picture? How do you like it?

    I've been wanting to pickup one for my daughter who is approaching riding age. The problem is, I don't have a bike with a threaded stem. I've been casually watching ebay for something appropriate to appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhtooefr View Post
    http://en.flying-pigeon.cn/newEbiz1/...shParent=false

    I believe Flying Pigeon makes custom bikes, too. Get that with aluminum rims, a Nexus 3, and caliper brakes, and you've got a cheap commuter - that thing with (I believe steel) rims, a single speed, and rod brakes is $30.
    It's only $30 over there. Over here, it's no longer a "bike of the people," but gets turned into some kind of unique lifestyle bicycle, and costs over $500. Of course, the dealer probably has to buy them in bulk from the factory and then they have to be shipped over the water. The dealer should be able to profit from this. But even with all that, the high price seems hard to justify. I'd love to have an old-school Flying Pigeon if only cause they're a little different, but not if they cost so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluc View Post
    That Kogswell is a beauty!

    By modern I meant not a rescued bike from the 70's. Always loved the Secret Service too but for some reasons it juts looks old. It's classy and everything, maybe it could use a fresher color.

    Also all these are available in kit only, good and bad wether you already have all the pieces on another bike.

    Plus I believe it should be made somewhere in North-America. I don't really like the idea of importing all these bikes. Would make new jobs here, lower carbon emissions and all that.
    I tried to find Secret Service on the web, but came up empty. Any ideas?
    Any of those Dutch bikes have a neat look to them and probably are plenty useful, but it seems that bringing a bike over here from Europe automatically doubles its price. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a knock-down bike kit from India that had the utility bike form and function, but seemed a bit pricey for a bike that needed its wheels to be laced, and that was made in such conditions that allowed it to be rusty from the start.

    If you really want any kind of bike made in North America, you could go to Cannondale, but those start around $1000 unless I overlooked something at the LBS the other day. It seems we've priced our labor quite high in this country. Does Raleigh Canada still make bikes in their Canadian factory?

    A time is going to come that we're going to wish that will still actually manufactured things of value in this country. A little OT, but we're also going to regret suburbanizing all our farmland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK1974 View Post
    I tried to find Secret Service on the web, but came up empty. Any ideas?
    Any of those Dutch bikes have a neat look to them and probably are plenty useful, but it seems that bringing a bike over here from Europe automatically doubles its price. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a knock-down bike kit from India that had the utility bike form and function, but seemed a bit pricey for a bike that needed its wheels to be laced, and that was made in such conditions that allowed it to be rusty from the start.

    If you really want any kind of bike made in North America, you could go to Cannondale, but those start around $1000 unless I overlooked something at the LBS the other day. It seems we've priced our labor quite high in this country. Does Raleigh Canada still make bikes in their Canadian factory?

    A time is going to come that we're going to wish that will still actually manufactured things of value in this country. A little OT, but we're also going to regret suburbanizing all our farmland.


    secret service... here.
    check my sig.

    pricing... i wouldn't say it doubles the cost. it adds to it, but not doubles it. the bikes typically come over by the container load - so the cost per bike is minimal.

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    love the bobike. Gets more comments than my bike itself (I stopped getting comments long, *long* ago). Nice way to make a utility bike more utility-ful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmike View Post
    or, by modern do you mean something like this:
    Mmmm. Fully enclosed chain case.

    It seems like the chain case on this bike, the Gazelles, my Trek L200 and the Miyata LiteAce are all about the same. Is there a common manufacturer of these? I wonder if they're a bike specific item or if they can be retrofitted onto other internal hub/single speed bikes.
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