Well I got my rack situation all sorted for little money, now I am looking into a set of panniers so I can haul more things than just whats in the messenger bag. Mostly groceries extra clothes. One thing I enjoyed with a vehicle was camping. I can't haul everything I want to with only a rack and a bag. I am in the process of building a trailer, but it has stalled. Anyone ever make their own panniers? Or know someone who sells them for cheap?