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Old 01-05-09, 01:09 PM   #76
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Flying Pigeon quality

Just wanted to point out that the Flying Pigeon's quality is improved enormously with the replacement of certain parts. This is what my shop does as a matter of course. We start by replacing the entire crankset with a Shimano UN54 bottom bracket, cotterless crank, smaller chainring, lighter pedals, larger rear cog, and better chain, and work our way up from there, replacing anything that's substandard. At $450 for a fully retrofitted 3-speed with a 2-year local warranty, I don't consider this high-priced. We're now adding 27" alloy rims with a Nexus 8-speed for something in the range of $650 (don't quote me yet on the price).
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Old 01-05-09, 04:47 PM   #77
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Just wanted to point out that the Flying Pigeon's quality is improved enormously with the replacement of certain parts. This is what my shop does as a matter of course. We start by replacing the entire crankset with a Shimano UN54 bottom bracket, cotterless crank, smaller chainring, lighter pedals, larger rear cog, and better chain, and work our way up from there, replacing anything that's substandard. At $450 for a fully retrofitted 3-speed with a 2-year local warranty, I don't consider this high-priced. We're now adding 27" alloy rims with a Nexus 8-speed for something in the range of $650 (don't quote me yet on the price).
Only thing is that then you do not have and old style roadster. If someone wants a modern bicycle why not buy a modern bicycle. Me, if I could afford a new bike I would buy an old roadster. Unfortunately I can not afford either. But. luckily, I do have my old Dunelt to ride.
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Old 01-05-09, 06:33 PM   #78
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Good point, Joe. If a customer wants an IGH option, they're going to have to carry less than what the bike is designed to carry as load or else stick with a single speed or go the derailleur route. I'm hard pressed to think of the amount of weight for which one needs a 48 spoke wheel - or that people would even want to carry it.
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If you could source or get alloy 28" rims, that would improve roadsters' ride considerably. The old steel rims are heavy and don't stop well in the rain. I turn thumbs down on the 27" idea since well - it just won't be a roadster anymore.
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Old 01-06-09, 03:32 PM   #80
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Only thing is that then you do not have and old style roadster. If someone wants a modern bicycle why not buy a modern bicycle. Me, if I could afford a new bike I would buy an old roadster.
The Pigeons that Joe Bike is selling have a lot of what drew me to roadsters:

1) Lax frame angles / upright riding position
2) Sturdy steel construction
3) Fully enclosed chain case

None of the pedals, drive train, cranks, bb, chainwheel, chain or sprocket are essentially roadster elements. The new wheels would be, but that's not something they're doing on most of the bikes they sell.
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Old 01-09-09, 08:30 PM   #81
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Looks like flyingpigeonnyc.blogspot.com is having a sale.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/986418663.html
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Old 03-25-09, 12:31 PM   #82
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Hey everyone,

I recently joined bikeforums after looking up information on the Raleigh Superbe. In my quest to own another Superbe, I came across a Flying Pigeon on Craigslist and began to read up on them. After seeing a Flying Pigeon, I felt I want to get one of those for myself and "rebuild" it to more a Raleigh type roadster or superbe bicycle. I looked into a place that sold dynohubs that could be installed on the FP, but was wondering if there was any place that sold drum brakes, or if anyone has ever heard of someone putting on a dynohub + drum brakes on such a bicycle.

I finally did get a Superbe, tho. It isn't a typical green, but looks like a light-metallic blue, which someone painted over accents in black. I'm guessing it was a bad re-paint job, or someone tried to strip the bicycle unsuccessfully. All in all it's functional, even the dynamo, but it looks like a Franken-Roadster. Despite that, I am still interested in getting a Flying Pigeon and modifying it. Any thoughts?
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It can be done. There are Sturmey Archer drum brakes and Sturmey Archer sells one as well with an add on dynohub. They are stock on my Pashley Guvnor - which is a roadster and I upgraded to drum brakes on my Raleigh Superbe when I switched to 700C wheels.
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Old 03-26-09, 05:00 AM   #84
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Has Sturmey Archer started selling Dynohubs again? That's great. I remember reading up on them on Sheldon Brown's website. He was such a great guy. I didn't know him personally, but had lots of information on bicycles and would always get back to you quickly if you had questions.

Has anyone bought anything from Sturmey Archer recently? They are now owned by a Taiwanese company I believe.

Also, regarding Eastmans: I think they are meant for conditions where there is less salt on the road -like India. That's just my guess. But then again, perhaps India also has better quality brands. My grandfather said that all he needed was a single speed and it would get him everywhere.
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I have a Sturmey Archer X-FDD, a front drum brake dynohub. The hub is maybe 4mm to wide for a standard FP fork, but it's steel so that's fixable. I have the left rod brake hooked up to the drum lever, which is on the left side. It's working quite well for me.
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Would the collective noun for a group of cyclists on flying pigeons be a 'flock'?

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Here are the Roadsters currently available in India. They are all available for less than $100 and very similar to the Flying Pigeon.

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BSA Super Deluxe
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Roadster Bicycle Manufacturers - Roadster Bicycle Punjab, Roadster Bicycle India
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The problem is the cost of importing one here exceeds the retail value of the bike.

Good to know though the roadster is still alive and well in certain parts of the world.

By the way, Raleigh's subsidiary still manufactures an updated version of them for the Danish market.
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As to build quality, I have never actually seen a Flying Pigeon
I have. They're heavy but they work. Somebody gave one to a friend of mine years ago and he started using it for his commuter because his good bikes were getting beat up on the train. It was a beater when he got it so I can't comment on the paint or chrome quality - they're both almost gone or covered with rust. On the bright side, none of the tubes have gotten dented so far.
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