Flying Pigeon is Chic
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Flying Pigeon is Chic
https://flyingpigeonnyc.blogspot.com/
I am beginning to think I would not want to be seen riding one.
I am beginning to think I would not want to be seen riding one.
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The photographer could have taken the packing foam off the bikes in some of those shots at least
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Nah, it's supposed to be like that. It's the top tube protector of the 3-speed crowd.
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I hate these things. They seem to be a cheap knock off fashion accessory, like all the faux channel bags girls have been carrying around.
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I am beginning to think I would not want to be seen riding one.
I am beginning to think I would not want to be seen riding one.
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A billion Chinese can't be wrong. The bicycle was the main means of transportation in China before the car took hold and for many Chinese it is still the principal means of getting around to day to day activities.
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I think that may be my first fake blog I've seen. I guess they needed to prove they can waste airline fuel with the best of them. Must have been a fun job though.
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Unless you like a 1920s Raleigh utility bike though I see no reason to buy the Flying Pigeon or the similar bikes from India. Very heavy gas pipe frames, geometry designed for maximum stability and one speed in the stanard models. Steel rims too it appears, great fun trying to brake with when wet.
Personally I would much prefer a Pashley if choosing a modern reproduction of an old British roadster.
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Dutch roadsters still have steel rims -stopping when wet isn't a problem when the bike is equipped with drum brakes. They are still very popular in the Netherlands.
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I ran into the guy who imports them one afternoon in Central Park. Of course the bike he was riding was covered in bubble wrap.
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I'm sure it was, a couple of the Flying Pigeons in the back of a pickup, a camera, and a couple pretty people for garnish and then an afternoon to drive around NYC.
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Oh I dunno, If the Chinese workers have even a little pride in their work the bike might make a good starting point for a "new" cheap DH-1 replica. It would be useless to me as I require a 17"/47cm frame and the "one-size-fits-all" 21" frame would be much too big. I suspect communism is and will be in vogue for the immediate future.
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Oh I dunno, If the Chinese workers have even a little pride in their work the bike might make a good starting point for a "new" cheap DH-1 replica. It would be useless to me as I require a 17"/47cm frame and the "one-size-fits-all" 21" frame would be much too big. I suspect communism is and will be in vogue for the immediate future.
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Well, actually the blog is from Flying Pigeon NYC the area distrubutor and dealer so of course it is ad copy. There now are several of them: like FP-LA, FP-Portland, and Morgan Imports here in NC. So only need someplace like Chicago to complete their distributorship. A couple of years ago you only found Chinese sites. It is probably a good way to generate sales in a place like NYC where there are a 100 customers for a utility bicycle and a million for a chic fashion accessory. There is someone in Ann Arbor MI selling them cheaper on ebay but they are rather stripped down with the vinyl seat and no lights.
Gas pipe frame? First that is a very derogatory term. It is and elitest slur on untility bicycles. Even back in 1900 such bicycle were made with straight gage high tensile tubing, I know of no bicycle ever made gas pipe. Straight gage tubing is heavier but stronger than butted tubing. Using thin gage double butted tubing on a utility bicycle is about the stupidest idea I can think of, the thin center section of DB tubing will buckle rather than bend, and if you try to straighten it it is likely to break. Not something you want for a transportation bicycle.
The one size fits all is a real problem, not as most here probably think, you do not need to have to have a fine a size break as you do with a drop bar bicycle but it does kind of limit the range of people they will fit. Besides I like the looks of a 24" roadster it just looks right to me. However the standard 22 inch size should work fine for folks from 5-6 feet tall. Not too good for anyone much outside that range.
As to build quality, I have never actually seen a Flying Pigeon, I doubt that they are much different in quality than Raleigh bicycle of that type were but we are talking mostly 1930's technology. It would be nice if they came with a 3-speed hub, but I guess that they would have been considered a needless luxury in a country where 90% of the population had to walk and there was no money for repairs. You have to replace the indicator chain quite often on a 3-speed used for serious transportation purposes. That would have been a needless expense for them, and I am doing all right in my old age riding my 3-speed in the normal gear, except for one hill I have to down shift for (a single speed in the mountains, what a great exercise idea).
The price of a pigeon ($380 with shipping) is a bit above my price range these days, but if I was still working I might just consider one. They should make great park bikes, cuising lazily with your head far above the crowd.
The purpose of a roadster is to to get you and a bit of cargo from point A to point B in all kinds of weather without too much effort. If you have to go long distances the idea was to load yourself and the bicycle on a train and have local transportation on both ends of the trip. They were not intended as a way to get exercise (you got just as much walking), nor to make you one of the in crowd.
I tend to forget that most of the people here were not even alive when bicycles were used for transportation in most of the industrial world, and all they know are various "sports" bicycles. It is sad that it is very hard to find a transportation bicycle outside of what we think of as the third world. It is even sadder that people who have to use a bicycle for transportation can only find toy "sports" bicycles to use. For anyone not knowing what I mean by "sports", that are all your exercise and special use, and fun bicycles: road bikes, mountain bikes, track bikes, etc. The 10-speeds of the bike boom and the later mountain bikes allowed the snobs to ride a bicycle without having to worry that other people might think they could not afford a car. OTOH, the oh so proud "I don't own a car crowd" drives me nuts knocking on my door and asking me to drive them into town; I now tell them to call a cab.
Gas pipe frame? First that is a very derogatory term. It is and elitest slur on untility bicycles. Even back in 1900 such bicycle were made with straight gage high tensile tubing, I know of no bicycle ever made gas pipe. Straight gage tubing is heavier but stronger than butted tubing. Using thin gage double butted tubing on a utility bicycle is about the stupidest idea I can think of, the thin center section of DB tubing will buckle rather than bend, and if you try to straighten it it is likely to break. Not something you want for a transportation bicycle.
The one size fits all is a real problem, not as most here probably think, you do not need to have to have a fine a size break as you do with a drop bar bicycle but it does kind of limit the range of people they will fit. Besides I like the looks of a 24" roadster it just looks right to me. However the standard 22 inch size should work fine for folks from 5-6 feet tall. Not too good for anyone much outside that range.
As to build quality, I have never actually seen a Flying Pigeon, I doubt that they are much different in quality than Raleigh bicycle of that type were but we are talking mostly 1930's technology. It would be nice if they came with a 3-speed hub, but I guess that they would have been considered a needless luxury in a country where 90% of the population had to walk and there was no money for repairs. You have to replace the indicator chain quite often on a 3-speed used for serious transportation purposes. That would have been a needless expense for them, and I am doing all right in my old age riding my 3-speed in the normal gear, except for one hill I have to down shift for (a single speed in the mountains, what a great exercise idea).
The price of a pigeon ($380 with shipping) is a bit above my price range these days, but if I was still working I might just consider one. They should make great park bikes, cuising lazily with your head far above the crowd.
The purpose of a roadster is to to get you and a bit of cargo from point A to point B in all kinds of weather without too much effort. If you have to go long distances the idea was to load yourself and the bicycle on a train and have local transportation on both ends of the trip. They were not intended as a way to get exercise (you got just as much walking), nor to make you one of the in crowd.
I tend to forget that most of the people here were not even alive when bicycles were used for transportation in most of the industrial world, and all they know are various "sports" bicycles. It is sad that it is very hard to find a transportation bicycle outside of what we think of as the third world. It is even sadder that people who have to use a bicycle for transportation can only find toy "sports" bicycles to use. For anyone not knowing what I mean by "sports", that are all your exercise and special use, and fun bicycles: road bikes, mountain bikes, track bikes, etc. The 10-speeds of the bike boom and the later mountain bikes allowed the snobs to ride a bicycle without having to worry that other people might think they could not afford a car. OTOH, the oh so proud "I don't own a car crowd" drives me nuts knocking on my door and asking me to drive them into town; I now tell them to call a cab.
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I don't know how the quality on the FP is. It certainly IS possible to have quite a bit lower quality than an old Raleigh- even comparing a 1930's bike to a modern one- I say this from the experience of owning an India-made bicycle. To give you some examples- rims aren't perfectly round, so when you true up the wheels, you get higher tension spokes at the weld, where it peaks out a bit. Kickstand frame isn't welded straight- using a jig would have avoided that, but for some reason, they didn't. Front rod brakes as made wouldn't properly clear the front front fender. Rear coaster brake doesn't fully disengage when coasting, so it makes noises as you coast. It's still a rideable bicycle, but definitely a cheaply made rideable bicycle, not a quality piece of equipment.
One thing that seems very positive to me about these bikes is that they have shops actually servicing what they sell. On some of this oddball stuff, you have to be mechanically adventurous or else know what you're doing to go at it on your own, and having a shop to set up the bike and make adjustments would be a big step forward in making ownership a positive experience.
One thing that seems very positive to me about these bikes is that they have shops actually servicing what they sell. On some of this oddball stuff, you have to be mechanically adventurous or else know what you're doing to go at it on your own, and having a shop to set up the bike and make adjustments would be a big step forward in making ownership a positive experience.
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Actually New York City has a much larger market for utility bikes than so called chic fashion accessories. New York is, after all, home to Worksman Cycles and there are a slew of Dutch imports that people use for just about everything imaginable.