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Old 08-17-10, 12:24 PM   #1
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Making your Uptown 8 more Upright - Taller and Shorter Stem?

Hello,

I had a 2008 Uptown 8 that was a L frame. Technically a wee bit too big for me at 5'8, and I would land right on the bar when I stood over it. I had to bring the seat all the way down to the spring.
So, I sold it and bought a M frame, new model.

I am noticing my complaints with being a little too bent forward have actually gotten a little bit more intensified. Odd. But I can raise the seat a decent amount.

We tried messing with seat height, putting swooped back bars (not Walds, but Nitto Albatross), and nothing seemed quite right. Tried a Brooks saddle as well (not a fan).

Settled on the prior Velo Soft seat over the current house made seat, because I just could not get comfy on it.

The recent recommendation by LBS's has been a shorter stem, perhaps a bit taller.

I am told there is a Seattle company with less expensive option that are just as good as a $60 Nitto. Others as well.

Anyone have suggestions?

Thanks!

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Have you tried North Road bars?
The stock bars on my 2009 Uptown 8 are "all-rounder" bars.North Road bars have more rise and about 60 degrees of sweep, which would make the ride a little more upright.The Albaross bars have even more sweep, and are wider, so perhaps that's why you did not like them.

Do you have the stem up all the way up, already? That will help get a more upright position and long stems (or long headtubes) are common on European upright bikes.

I've been pretty happy with my Uptown 8, so far, though I might prefer North Road bars; I think that hand position is more comfortable, and the stock bars seem a little narrow. I wouldn't mind being more upright most of the time, but I haven't raised the stem much because it is nice to be able to get a little under the wind at times.

How has your bike been holding up? Any problems so far?
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Here are an article and a thread that may be helpful:
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-371140.html (Dutchification of a Breezer)
http://totcycle.com/blog/queer-eye-f...-bike-guy.html (Dutchification of an MTB style bike)

I have cruiserized many old 10 speeds. My favorite bars to use are made by Wald. They can be ordered online or from most bike shops, tho I haven't seen them in stock at many bike shops: http://waldsports.com/index.cfm/handlebars.html
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+1 Here is another option from sunlite that would work well: http://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Adjust...2166594&sr=1-1
+1 I use adjustable stems on a few of my bikes to get the bars at the height I want, and like them.
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I have found the new one a bit of a mixed bag. Nice rear wheel lock that now has a chain insert makes up for the shortcomings. The price is down $200 as well. The bike is a steal.

Breezer opted for cheaper grips. I will eventually go with the 09 model's or another better grip.

Breezer opted for cheaper tires. My LBS was smart... they swap Schwalbe Kevlar Marathon. Seems the new model cheapies allowed blow outs to become all too common. Not good with a internal Nexus. I personally find the thicker City Plus from my 09 to be a nicer ride, and perhaps, a little more speedy/better in the corners.

The new Basta lights are less desirable than my prior B&M lights. Well, they are a mixed bag... the front light seems more focused and has a better straight ahead view. The rear light seems more dim, I could have sworn the 09' B&M was more than one LED? The rear cover flew off 3 weeks into commuting over a little crack in the road. Some Loctite at the shop fixed that right up. The auto function on the front light is tricky... I get all kinds of off/on reaction from mere street lights coming up. The B&M would stay on no problem. I have been thinking about seeing if I could get the B&M on trade since these are not as functional. However, if I just opt to turn them on/off instead of on auto... they really are great lights.

The rear wheel cable is just awesome. Always thought Breezer should have done this from the get-go.

I wonder if the new Nexus supplied cranks are a step down or up from the prior model's?

The bell on the new one was a disappointment. I requested the one on the 09 models.

Two areas I think Breezer could advance: double kick stand (this year the kick stand is worse than last, I do not know why?) and an adjustable quill stem.

I love the stuff that has made these bikes so awesome is still a part of the package regardless of lesser tires, a cheaper bell/grips/and in house design seat.
Enclosed chain guard
Nice ride
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light weight enough for me to carry on the bus and upstairs at school
the Nexus is great. However, I think the option of non internal based gearing is another bonus this year.

Big downer is that the rear frame has been redesigned with a strange circle above the bolt... it looks like a Xtra Cycle conversion is nearly impossible or unlikely on the 2010?
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Here are an article and a thread that may be helpful:
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-371140.html (Dutchification of a Breezer)
http://totcycle.com/blog/queer-eye-f...-bike-guy.html (Dutchification of an MTB style bike)

I have cruiserized many old 10 speeds. My favorite bars to use are made by Wald. They can be ordered online or from most bike shops, tho I haven't seen them in stock at many bike shops: http://waldsports.com/index.cfm/handlebars.html
Which Wald handlebars? The 872? or like these, the 8095 on this KHS?
http://www.citybikes.coop/bikes/city...-urban-xpress/ I liked these, by the way. I road this bike and found the sitting position quite comfy.
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I think I am ordering this. Thanks!! Hope it fits okay.
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Read through that thread. Donna made her Uptown 8 more upright.
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Hello,

I had a 2008 Uptown 8 that was a L frame. Technically a wee bit too big for me at 5'8, and I would land right on the bar when I stood over it. I had to bring the seat all the way down to the spring.
So, I sold it and bought a M frame, new model.

I am noticing my complaints with being a little too bent forward have actually gotten a little bit more intensified. Odd. But I can raise the seat a decent amount.

We tried messing with seat height, putting swooped back bars (not Walds, but Nitto Albatross), and nothing seemed quite right. Tried a Brooks saddle as well (not a fan).

Settled on the prior Velo Soft seat over the current house made seat, because I just could not get comfy on it.

The recent recommendation by LBS's has been a shorter stem, perhaps a bit taller.

I am told there is a Seattle company with less expensive option that are just as good as a $60 Nitto. Others as well.

Anyone have suggestions?

Thanks!

Kenny

I put a this bar on my cruiser to sit up and more relaxed and they solved the problem 100%.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ef=oss_product
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I have found the new one a bit of a mixed bag. Nice rear wheel lock that now has a chain insert makes up for the shortcomings. The price is down $200 as well. The bike is a steal.
Getting the 2009 for $830 is pretty good, too.

I was disappointed that my 2009 did not have the AXA rear lock. I was hoping to add a chain or cable to have a one-lock security option. Well, U-locks are a good idea anyway.

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The new Basta lights are less desirable than my prior B&M lights. Well, they are a mixed bag... the front light seems more focused and has a better straight ahead view. The rear light seems more dim, I could have sworn the 09' B&M was more than one LED? The rear cover flew off 3 weeks into commuting over a little crack in the road. Some Loctite at the shop fixed that right up. The auto function on the front light is tricky... I get all kinds of off/on reaction from mere street lights coming up. The B&M would stay on no problem. I have been thinking about seeing if I could get the B&M on trade since these are not as functional. However, if I just opt to turn them on/off instead of on auto... they really are great lights.
If you are going to upgrade, I would suggest the B&M IQ Cyo. It uses all 3 watts of power from the dynamo, and is about 4 times brighter (at the center of the beam) and has about 3 times the total light output of the Basta Pilot on the 2010 or the B&M DLumotec on the 2009. Of course, for an extra $100 the Edelux is nice.

[QUOTE=djkenny;11346128]I wonder if the new Nexus supplied cranks are a step down or up from the prior model's?
It's a step up in the "good looks" department. Don't know about weight or strength, but I would think Shimano would put some quality into the Nexus brand.

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The bell on the new one was a disappointment. I requested the one on the 09 models.
Hey, I didn't get a bell! I wonder if the bike shop left it off on accident.

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Two areas I think Breezer could advance: double kick stand (this year the kick stand is worse than last, I do not know why?) and an adjustable quill stem.
Amen to that. I'm thinking of upgrading to a double kickstand myself.

I may get North Road type bars to bring the seating position a little more upright. Along with a new seatpost with more setback (if that is possible), it should make the feel a little more relaxed and "dutch-like". But I'll think about it for another few months, first.
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+1 I use adjustable stems on a few of my bikes to get the bars at the height I want, and like them.
Reading back over Donna's post, and it has always been very informative...
I discovered the Kalloy adjustable Quill Stem per Tightwad. Maybe I should shoot for this instead of the Sunlite?
(I am not sure what dimensions I need yet, however... they have a lot of adj stems by this brand on Amazon)
http://www.amazon.com/Kalloy-Adjusta...848857&sr=8-14

Then I will order some N Road bars, a Pyramid or similar stand, and see how the Breezer world changes : )
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[QUOTE=jeisenbe;11356689]Getting the 2009 for $830 is pretty good, too.

I was disappointed that my 2009 did not have the AXA rear lock. I was hoping to add a chain or cable to have a one-lock security option. Well, U-locks are a good idea anyway.

djkenny
I would not skimp on a U Lock 90% of the time. The only time I use only the cable is running in for a coffee, if the bike is on view. I usually combine the two... locking the front wheel at the very least with the U. At times, some bike racks do not allow me to lock the frame and front wheel...so I am stuck with the cable in back serving the frame and R wheel needs and just locking up the front dynamo wheel.


If you are going to upgrade, I would suggest the B&M IQ Cyo. It uses all 3 watts of power from the dynamo, and is about 4 times brighter (at the center of the beam) and has about 3 times the total light output of the Basta Pilot on the 2010 or the B&M DLumotec on the 2009. Of course, for an extra $100 the Edelux is nice.

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I read about Cyo on line. Seems they had the best lumons and all around view. I will consider it. I actually think the output is pretty okay on the Basta light, it is the non functional auto feature that has been a little annoying. There is 2 different Cyo models, right?? Must be the IQ that was the better of the two?
Have not heard of Edelux. Big difference?

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I wonder if the new Nexus supplied cranks are a step down or up from the prior model's?
It's a step up in the "good looks" department. Don't know about weight or strength, but I would think Shimano would put some quality into the Nexus brand.

I figured the same. I just have a strange impression the crank arms are shorter...I could be wrong.




I may get North Road type bars to bring the seating position a little more upright. Along with a new seatpost with more setback (if that is possible), it should make the feel a little more relaxed and "dutch-like". But I'll think about it for another few months, first.
Check Donna's Brompton folder piece they swapped on her Breezer. Seems to have brought he seat post back a hair or two. I think I will buy the N. Road bars myself, I figure if they do not work well on the Breezer I can always try some slightly less expensive Wald ones too. One of the two will just end up on some future MTB project/beater commuter thing.

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Getting the 2009 for $830 is pretty good, too.
I read about Cyo on line. Seems they had the best lumens and all around view. I will consider it. I actually think the output is pretty okay on the Basta light, it is the non functional auto feature that has been a little annoying. There is 2 different Cyo models, right?? Must be the IQ that was the better of the two?
Have not heard of Edelux. Big difference?
The B&M Lumotec IQ Cyo come in a regular version with the light focused ahead (on the road/street surface); the "IQ Cyo R" spread the light out a little closer in front of the bike, so the area from 1 to 4 yards ahead is lighted as well.
The Edelux is similar, but uses a nice metal enclosure to get better heat management, and good looks. It costs $190 at Harris (perhaps $200 w/ shipping), compared to $105 for the B&M, but produces over 80 lux max (and over 250 lumens). Another option is the E3 Pro asymmetric light, also around $200 and with similar lumens and max lux.

Personally, I think the IQ Cyo is plenty bright even at 40 lux (for the R version) for any speeds most of us will travel at night.
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