Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Utility Cycling Want to haul groceries, beer, maybe even your kids? You don't have to live car free to put your bike to use as a workhorse. Here's the place to share and learn about the bicycle as a utility vehicle.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-24-12, 11:54 AM   #1
JPizzzle
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Public Mixte Bike for man-w/rear rack -opinions please

Hey all,
So a little background about myself. I'm a grad school student -28 y/o living out of philadelphia-originally from brooklyn NY. My experience with cycling goes back to as a child like many of you. I was into the whole vert bike scene a little bit as a kid-never did any tricks or anything though hah. Anyway, growing up, I bought a trek road bike, which I would not consider a city bike. It was a diamond frame if I remember correctly. So that bike has been in storage for about 6 years now and I have not rode a bike except at the shore since then.

So now I want to get back into biking and want a bike made for the city. I don't want something for training or exercise, but something trendy and for simply getting around. In my research I came upon the company "Public." I found their D8 style bike to be real nice, but then saw these pictures:

It's from their Rivoli bike, but modified without the front basket, but with a rear dock:

http://publicbikes.com/p/PUBLIC-M8-L...Bamboo-Fenders

So I was thinking this looks like a great bike-deff my style although pricey. Now, I started to research the style of bike and found out that it's a "mixte." Having been separated from biking culture, I don't know much about male/female styles except that the traditional step throughs are generally favored by women. I know that older adults tend to like these due to them being easier to get into. I personally am not as concerned about getting in and out and more about the style of the bike (I know I know-prob many rolling their heads at this). Now, I know many will say ride what you like, don't worry about this and that. However, i'm a little self-conscious to be honest, and was wondering how a younger male driving a mixte would be perceived in city life. I know these are silly questions, but this is a lot of money, and hey it's a forum. Any advice would be appreciated-especially from men who ride these style bikes. My girlfriend rolled her eyes, and said that such a bike does not look feminine and she would not see it as such-however she wants her next bike to be purple .

Hah, thx in advance

JP
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 21440_13-1.jpg (58.7 KB, 33 views)
File Type: jpg 614635_10151996724515392_1338550750_o-1.jpg (100.5 KB, 61 views)
JPizzzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-12, 12:31 PM   #2
Nightshade
Humvee of bikes =Worksman
 
Nightshade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 5,363
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Watch out for the word "trendy" since it will cause you to spend money that you don't need to.

The smart person will always put function well ahead of fashion.

That said, the mixte is nice but don't limit your choices to bicycles that have a fancy ad.
__________________
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
Nightshade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-12, 12:58 PM   #3
JPizzzle
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks for the tips Nightshade-appreciate it.

I think that function is deff present in the mixte-from what i've been reading especially for the city where stop and go is the norm. I was just saying that for that kind of money that I deff like it to have the looks to match the function. Your right though-if you buy based on trend then its a costly investment for when the trends change.

Also, the ad -not sure if it is an ad- just made me look at it in a diff way-since their website has it with a basket.
JPizzzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-12, 03:17 PM   #4
badmother
Senior Member
 
badmother's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 3,195
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 41 Post(s)
Mixtes are super cool and newer really out of fashion. The word "mixte" is from mixt sexes, a bike for male and female. Used a lot in the far east. If you one day are going to ride with a childseat or a big basket or similar you are going to be happy you got a mixte and not a diamondframe. Search the forums for mixte threads, especially in the Classic & Vintage forums there is a lot of great mixtes, pluss Flickr..
badmother is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-12, 05:32 PM   #5
JPizzzle
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks Badmother- I don't plan on having kids soon (but sometimes things don't go to plan ha!) but I can appreciate moving a large basket of groceries around.

i've been looking over the threads-most state that it is not strange for men to use them, but that they are primarily used by women. I think i'm gonna go for it-but additional feedback is welcome!
JPizzzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-12, 04:42 AM   #6
blakcloud 
Senior Member
 
blakcloud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Bikes: Rivendell Sam Hillborne, Brompton S/M3L (modified)
Posts: 1,048
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
I think with the advent of sloping top tubes, which we can thank mountain bikes for this trend, this bike fits right in. The mixte really makes sense to me.

Did you happen to see this thread who built up a mixte for commuting? The bike looks great. There is also the Yves Gomez by Rivendell, though this bike is in a different price category than the Public bike.
blakcloud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-12, 06:52 PM   #7
JPizzzle
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks for the info blak-can you please clarify a little on what you mean by the yves gomez being in a diff category-are you referring to price? BTW the public bike is $900 bare bones with my discount, in which I will buy the seat and grips externally and have public install the rack and fenders.

Edit: ok didn't realize that the gomez was priced for the frame alone-hah-

Last edited by JPizzzle; 08-26-12 at 10:49 PM.
JPizzzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-12, 05:06 AM   #8
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée
Posts: 7,791
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 170 Post(s)
Woman's bike, for sure.

I also think you'd have to be crazy to spend $1.5k on that, though it is a good-looking bike. $900 is a little better, but not for a man to ride.
chaadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-12, 09:35 PM   #9
Brennan
Senior Member
 
Brennan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oakland, CA
Bikes: Surly CC, Trek Earl
Posts: 642
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I would not hesitate to ride a mixte. I would, however, hesitate to ride such a pricey city bike. I'm paranoid about bike theft, so I'd always be worried if I had to lock it up somewhere.
Brennan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-12, 03:37 PM   #10
hotbike
Senior Member
 
hotbike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Long Island, New York
Bikes: a lowrider BMX, a mountain bike, a faired recumbent, and a loaded touring bike
Posts: 2,859
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)

I'm using a 20 year old Trek 720 Ladies Bike. I weigh over 270 pounds, but the frame has not buckled or bent yet. The step-through design make it easier to mount and dismount, which is good, on account of the larger rear panniers.

I think there was a bunch of badly weak Ladies Framed Bikes, mostly built during the 1970's, that gave Ladies Bikes a bad rap. This Trek 720, and my mountain bike, a Ladies Fuji Boulevard, are very sturdy and show no signs of bending, warpage, or flexing.
hotbike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-12, 09:32 PM   #11
loneviking61
Senior Member
 
loneviking61's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Carson City, NV
Bikes: Schwinn Trailwise, Surly Pugsley
Posts: 386
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I say 'go for it!'. I ride a Schiwinn Varsity 'girls' bike, as so many have told me. It has the Mixte type of frame. My problem is that I'm 5'11" with a 29 inch inseam. On a bike that actually fits my torso, the stand over height is waaay to high. I slide off the saddle to dismount and take that top tube where it really hurts. And, if there's panniers on the back, I often can't get my leg over the bags and I sure can't do it over the top tube. The mixte frame solves those problems. I can get on, or around the the bike and the bike is the right size for me. If you like the style, and it works for you, ride it!
loneviking61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-12, 02:49 PM   #12
hotbike
Senior Member
 
hotbike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Long Island, New York
Bikes: a lowrider BMX, a mountain bike, a faired recumbent, and a loaded touring bike
Posts: 2,859
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)


This is a photograph of the NFA Vehicles Type Nine (Type 9). My Daughter Mellisa designed this bike. It could be Carbon Fiber, or it could be Fiberglass.

I have been emphatic about the distinction between a Ladies Bike and a Mixte. I wanted to make the Bicycle with a low step-over frame, and yet be strong enough for myself to ride upon it.

I wish now to state that I chose to have a female design this Bicycle. There are two reasons for this. First there is an anatomical difference between the sexes, and a woman should have some say in the design of a Bicycle Seat. To this effect, my Daughter made the seat without any horn , or pointy part, on the front. This Bicycle seat has been effectively neutered. By serendipity, my Daughter is a fancier of Horses, and she designed this Bicycle Seat so as to make it possible for a Lady to ride it Side-Saddle.
Secondly, I wanted to make room for a Woman in the Engineering Field . I run a Family Business, it is an Engineering Firm... However , there was such a paucity of female students at my alma mater that I eventually had to give the job to my own Daughter. I wish to set the record Straight (no pun intended), as a Marriage can NOT exist between two men, either in nature, or the Eye of God.

But I digress.

The Type 9 has a Cargo Platform on the front, it is an Utility Bicycle, in that the Cargo Platform is welded to the Head Tube and does NOT swing with the turn of the Handlebars. Mellisa sagaciously designed the Aerodynamic Fairing by following the same general lines of a Truck Roof Spoiler ,


I just wanted to set the record straight. Thank you for bearing with me.
hotbike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-12, 03:46 PM   #13
qko
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 6
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I couldn't resist weighing in on this.

I own two Mixtes - a Schwinn LeTour and a Raleigh Record Ace.

Both are fixed gear, and both are suprisingly athletic.

Regarding the male-female issue, I tell anyone who asks that these are boys bikes.

They just look great in a dress.
qko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-12, 06:32 PM   #14
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée
Posts: 7,791
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 170 Post(s)
Good lord.

Better make that, "Mixtes are for girls, the infirm, and crazy people."
chaadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-12, 07:51 PM   #15
Velognome 
Get off my lawn!
 
Velognome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Garden State
Bikes: 1917 Loomis, 1923 Rudge, 1930 Hercules Renown, 1947 Mclean, 1948 JA Holland, 1955 Hetchins, 1957 Carlton Flyer, 1962 Raleigh Sport, 1978&81 Raleigh Gomp GS', 2010 Raliegh Clubman
Posts: 6,114
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Top tube, mixte, slanted or loop frame...Didn't know bike frames had a he/she only use policy. I've got a Loop frame Priests Bike that I'm affraid Chaadster would dance around and scream "girls bike, girls bike girls bike" but he'd be wrong. So Jpizzle, get your mixte and ride. If you look on the C&V forum you'll find a thread just for mixte frames and gasp....the majority of riders are .....ready for this Chaadster........yep, guys.
Velognome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-12, 08:27 PM   #16
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée
Posts: 7,791
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 170 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
Top tube, mixte, slanted or loop frame...Didn't know bike frames had a he/she only use policy. I've got a Loop frame Priests Bike that I'm affraid Chaadster would dance around and scream "girls bike, girls bike girls bike" but he'd be wrong. So Jpizzle, get your mixte and ride. If you look on the C&V forum you'll find a thread just for mixte frames and gasp....the majority of riders are .....ready for this Chaadster........yep, guys.
You're free to ride what you want, but ignorance of the fact that the dropped top tube frame has been primarily a women's style since the '90s-- that's 1890s, by the way-- does not change more than 100 years of history and custom.

I'm a man, and I consider myself a Feminist-- I've got a minor in Women's Studies from MSU, too-- but I don't go around wearing high heels. So go ahead and ride and wear what you want, but own that **** and say with pride, "I ride a girls' bike!" Don't try to redefine it and deny reality; that's weak. Also, don't try to explain it, either. It's just not going to come off right no matter what.

chaadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-12, 12:02 PM   #17
Nightshade
Humvee of bikes =Worksman
 
Nightshade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 5,363
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
You're free to ride what you want, but ignorance of the fact that the dropped top tube frame has been primarily a women's style since the '90s-- that's 1890s, by the way-- does not change more than 100 years of history and custom.

I'm a man, and I consider myself a Feminist-- I've got a minor in Women's Studies from MSU, too-- but I don't go around wearing high heels. So go ahead and ride and wear what you want, but own that **** and say with pride, "I ride a girls' bike!" Don't try to redefine it and deny reality; that's weak. Also, don't try to explain it, either. It's just not going to come off right no matter what.
There is no such thing as a "girls bike" frame and hasn't been for a very long time. Most bike makers today build one of four general types of frames. The sloped diamond, the straight diamond , the step through and the mixte frame which a reinforced diamond frame that uses two triangles instead of one.

Your campaign against the curved frame "girls bike" is no longer relevant.
__________________
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

Last edited by Nightshade; 09-03-12 at 12:16 PM.
Nightshade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-12, 01:26 PM   #18
prathmann
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bay Area, Calif.
Bikes:
Posts: 6,089
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Nothing wrong with mixte frames and my folding bike has a low stepover style that is somewhat similar.

But I'm not sure why the OP doesn't just get his current Trek out of storage and make a few modifications to make it more suited for utility cycling. A rear rack can be added easily and maybe raise the handlebars a little if they're uncomfortably low. Eventually if he really starts riding a lot he may well decide to have multiple bikes with different functions - but for now I'd suggest he adapt his existing bike and start riding instead of spending a considerable amount up front.
prathmann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-12, 02:19 PM   #19
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée
Posts: 7,791
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 170 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
There is no such thing as a "girls bike" frame and hasn't been for a very long time. Most bike makers today build one of four general types of frames. The sloped diamond, the straight diamond , the step through and the mixte frame which a reinforced diamond frame that uses two triangles instead of one.

Your campaign against the curved frame "girls bike" is no longer relevant.
Stop lyin' and denyin'!
chaadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-12, 02:50 PM   #20
hotbike
Senior Member
 
hotbike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Long Island, New York
Bikes: a lowrider BMX, a mountain bike, a faired recumbent, and a loaded touring bike
Posts: 2,859
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Why do Ladies Bikes get such a bad rap? I think Ladies Bikes are much safer than mens Bikes , in city traffic, on account that you can dismount the bike a lot quicker, two seconds before the truck hits the bike. The bike is "expendable".

Are Ladies Bikes more flexible than mens bikes? Maybe, but it depends on the tubing diameter. Also, a classic "Curved Frame Ladies Bike" will have an additional short tube, linking the top tube and the down tube, about in the middle- I think some cheap Ladies Bikes don't have that cross-brace, and the frame flexes too much, and Ladies Bikes get a bad rap on account of it.

I'd like to see those cross braces make a come-back. Or if the manufacturer would use a larger diameter down tube than the comparable mens bike, that would be nice.

I would like to see the top tube made as low as possible.

This Company:

http://www.biria.com/series

makes some sensible Ladies Bikes.

I think there is also a social issue; though less so today than when I was a kid. When I was a kid, if a boy ride a girls bike, he would be called "gay".
I wanted to ride a Ladies Bike, on account of the easier dismount. I thought it would be a good idea to jump off the bicycle two seconds before it gets hit by a truck.
I wanted to build a better Ladies Bicycle, but the Girlfriend I had in High School wouldn't work on the Project with me. I was going to build a better Ladies Bicycle and give it to my Girlfriend as a gift, but this girl, she would ride her Mother's Bicycle! Her Mother had a green Schwinn, Ladies Bike. So my Girlfriend kept saying she didn't need a Ladies Bicycle, on account she was using her Mothers Bicycle.

So I had to wait until my cousin Mellisa asked me to adopt her, before the Project could get under-way.

Anyway, If a Man is riding a Ladies Bike, and someone asks if he is gay, the answer is "it's my Wife's Bike" , "It's my Girlfriends Bike", "it's my Daughter's Bike" , or "It's my Aunt's Bike".
(The answer is NOT "It's okay to be gay").
hotbike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-12, 03:01 PM   #21
Nightshade
Humvee of bikes =Worksman
 
Nightshade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 5,363
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
Stop lyin' and denyin'!
Whoa!! Somebodies off their trolly!
__________________
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
Nightshade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-12, 08:51 PM   #22
JPizzzle
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Bikes:
Posts: 29
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Wow...well deff some interesting feedback here. Thanks for those who replied with useful opinions.

From what i've read and gathered (Beyond this thread as well), I think that the mixte's can be considered a unisex frame-especially for city riding-but that it's certainly more popular with women. Step through frames in general are more popular with women, but that in certain cultures (Amsterdam for example) the step through frame is utilized by both sexes as it is superior for riding with kids, groceries, etc.
JPizzzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-12, 10:34 PM   #23
chaadster
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Bikes: '15 Kinesis Racelight 4S, '76 Motebecane Gran Jubilée
Posts: 7,791
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 170 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPizzzle View Post
Wow...well deff some interesting feedback here. Thanks for those who replied with useful opinions.

From what i've read and gathered (Beyond this thread as well), I think that the mixte's can be considered a unisex frame-especially for city riding-but that it's certainly more popular with women. Step through frames in general are more popular with women, but that in certain cultures (Amsterdam for example) the step through frame is utilized by both sexes as it is superior for riding with kids, groceries, etc.
Obviously you just want to ride this bike, and that's fine, but as a point of clarity, and without attempting to speak for the Dutch, as someone who has spent time in Amsterdam on several occasions, and also as someone who has more than a cursory knowledge of cargo bikes, I think I need to point out that if you were to take a visual survey of what people ride in Amsterdam, you'll find it's a very similar mix to what we ride here, meaning that men ride diamond frames and women step-throughs. What I think you're confused about is the "cargo bike" as a type of bike- the Long John being a classic example-- which are often, yes, step-throughs, for the reasons you cited above, and ridden by both sexes, but I'd bet (without the facts to back it up, but based on my observations) by mostly women. However, most Dutch, or at least most Amsterdamers, don't ride cargo bikes.

When the money comes (speaking of Dutch cargo bikes) I'm going to get a Bullit. They're unrepentantly masculine (just kidding!), and the sportiest way to haul of all:

chaadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-12, 09:00 AM   #24
fietsbob 
coprolite
 
fietsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Bikes: 7
Posts: 19,614
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 432 Post(s)
My step thru comes from Bike Friday and Brompton, the 406 and 349 wheel bikes
have a low top bar as their folding nature dictates..

Dutch Oma bikes, are utilitarian practical for both parents to share.. parenting duties
with the child seat on the back, wont have to swing a leg over the little ones head.


chadster, [aside] Bullit is from a Danish company,
though they too contract them to be built in Taiwan.

the Long John were also Danish..

Last edited by fietsbob; 09-06-12 at 09:06 AM.
fietsbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-06-12, 03:14 PM   #25
rpclark
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Central OH
Bikes: Trek Nav 2.0; Citizen Tokyo
Posts: 26
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
A Mixte will be fine. Just don't get pink or lavender with yellow flowers :-**
rpclark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:33 AM.