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kookaburra1701 12-23-12 05:01 AM

Wald 157 Giant Delivery Basket vs. VO Porteur Rack
 
I had been saving for a VO Porteur front rack, because it seemed like the largest "platform" available for carrying cargo that was also in a nice shiny stainless finish. (What can I say, I'm a vain, silly creature. I may go out of the house looking a fright, but by Hera my bicycle will be snazzy.) I hadn't considered a front basket because I figured that it would limit the volume of what I could carry up there, but then I did the inches< - > cm conversions and it seems like the Wald basket is actually larger than the porteur rack. Does anyone have experience with both? How do they compare? One advantage of the Porteur rack is the ability to use panniers with it too - would one be able to install lowrider front pannier racks with the Wald basket?

wahoonc 12-23-12 05:12 AM

Probably not the leg braces would get in the way. I use the middle sized Wald basket on my beer bike and the supports run pretty close to the fork blades. You might be able to get the low rider racks on, but you wouldn't be able to use the panniers. Wald baskets are great, utlitarian and inexpensive compared to the VO rack. FWIW my beer bike with baskets, lights and new tires still comes in under the cost of the VO Porteur rack. But that is a nice looking rack!

Aaron :)

okane 12-23-12 05:48 AM

Wald Basket
 
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I have ridden many hundreds of miles over the past 5 years with my 20 pound dog aboard. Works fine for smooth surfaces but the steering is sluggish and you have to pay attention. Good for boardwalks and bike paths but would not recommend for street use. No dodging potholes with this rig. I installed a longer axel and double nutted it so I could take the basket on/off without disturbing wheel alignment. I've used it on a World Sport, the Rabineck pictured, and more recently on a Breezer hybrid. I need the upright bars due to neck/back injuries. Takes about 5 minutes to put on/take off. I used a same type basket to deliver newspapers on a Schwinn Black Phantom when I was a kid(yeah, I'm old). Don't know how I did it; rig must have weighed 75 pounds when fully loaded.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=289744

kookaburra1701 12-23-12 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 15079934)
Probably not the leg braces would get in the way. I use the middle sized Wald basket on my beer bike and the supports run pretty close to the fork blades. You might be able to get the low rider racks on, but you wouldn't be able to use the panniers. Wald baskets are great, utlitarian and inexpensive compared to the VO rack. FWIW my beer bike with baskets, lights and new tires still comes in under the cost of the VO Porteur rack. But that is a nice looking rack!

Aaron :)

I suppose I can try the wald basket first, as it's so much more inexpensive compared to the VO one. Then if it doesn't work for me or I find that I'd be getting more use out of front panniers than I am out of the basket, I could get rid of it on craigslist or pass it on to a BF member who needs one but doesn't have the dough for it.

adventurepdx 12-23-12 11:08 AM

It's not going to be "apples to apples" between the Wald basket and the VO rack.

From the Velo Orange site, the weight of the Porteur rack is 1.079kg (2.37 lbs). When I recently asked Wald what the weight of their 157 Giant Delivery Basket was, they quoted the weight at 9 lbs. That's almost four times heavier than the VO rack!

I've used the Wald delivery basket on my old Univega. It's a well-made basket, and you can carry a lot on it. But it does affect steering when loaded, and even unloaded it's a lot of basket to carry around.

kookaburra1701 12-23-12 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 15080517)
It's not going to be "apples to apples" between the Wald basket and the VO rack.

From the Velo Orange site, the weight of the Porteur rack is 1.079kg (2.37 lbs). When I recently asked Wald what the weight of their 157 Giant Delivery Basket was, they quoted the weight at 9 lbs. That's almost four times heavier than the VO rack!

I've used the Wald delivery basket on my old Univega. It's a well-made basket, and you can carry a lot on it. But it does affect steering when loaded, and even unloaded it's a lot of basket to carry around.

Wow, that is a big difference, especially because I have to carry my bicycle up and down narrow stairs to get to my apartment...

adventurepdx 12-23-12 11:32 AM

kookaburra1701, have you considered the Soma porteur rack? They look nice as well, and they are not as much as the VO version.
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=48548

no1mad 12-23-12 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 15080517)
It's not going to be "apples to apples" between the Wald basket and the VO rack.

From the Velo Orange site, the weight of the Porteur rack is 1.079kg (2.37 lbs). When I recently asked Wald what the weight of their 157 Giant Delivery Basket was, they quoted the weight at 9 lbs. That's almost four times heavier than the VO rack!

I've used the Wald delivery basket on my old Univega. It's a well-made basket, and you can carry a lot on it. But it does affect steering when loaded, and even unloaded it's a lot of basket to carry around.

I'm wondering if they didn't quote you the shipping weight and not the actual unit weight. A quick search on Amazon yielded no shipping weight info...

Nightshade 12-23-12 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kookaburra1701 (Post 15079925)
I had been saving for a VO Porteur front rack, because it seemed like the largest "platform" available for carrying cargo that was also in a nice shiny stainless finish. (What can I say, I'm a vain, silly creature. I may go out of the house looking a fright, but by Hera my bicycle will be snazzy.) I hadn't considered a front basket because I figured that it would limit the volume of what I could carry up there, but then I did the inches< - > cm conversions and it seems like the Wald basket is actually larger than the porteur rack. Does anyone have experience with both? How do they compare? One advantage of the Porteur rack is the ability to use panniers with it too - would one be able to install lowrider front pannier racks with the Wald basket?


The answer to this question is.....it's a matter of physics.

Weight carried on the front with a pivot point of the front wheels will start to act like a pendulum if the front wheel is moved at all side to side. This will get worse the more weight is carried over the front wheel.

Weight carried over the rear wheel will be much more stationary ,as well as balanced, if loaded in fairly equal manner over the wheel. There can be no pendulum motion that would destabilize the bike in motion. Plus more weight can be safely carried.

Carry light stuff up front , heavy stuff at the rear.

adventurepdx 12-23-12 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by no1mad (Post 15080732)
I'm wondering if they didn't quote you the shipping weight and not the actual unit weight. A quick search on Amazon yielded no shipping weight info...

No, I believe that is supposed to be the actual weight, as I asked them about the actual weight of rack/basket by itself. It's a heavy basket.

Also heavy is the Ewald 257GB Multi-fit Rack, Wald's version of the "porteur" rack which comes in at eight pounds.
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=53019

LarDasse74 12-23-12 01:33 PM

Mrs. Dasse has the Wald delivery basket on her town bike and, make no mistake, it is a chunky monkey. But by gum it holds a lot and never a need to ask 'how' it will hold anything - everything goes right into the basket.

The only time it was awkward was when my mother in law borrowed the bike, loaded the basket with groceries, and dropped the bike when trying to mount it... it never occurred to me to warn her that the basket makes it a little more difficult to handle when loaded... and it was the first time she had ridden a bike in probably 20 years :D

kookaburra1701 12-23-12 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightshade (Post 15080766)
Carry light stuff up front , heavy stuff at the rear.

Most of what I would be carrying up front would be light, just big - like TP, papertowels, etc. My rear rack has so far handled econo boxes of cat litter with aplomb.

LarDasse74 12-23-12 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kookaburra1701 (Post 15080909)
Most of what I would be carrying up front would be light, just big - like TP, papertowels, etc. My rear rack has so far handled econo boxes of cat litter with aplomb.

For the price of the VO rack, you could get both the

Wald delivery basket and the Wald 'twin carrier' basket AND a new 2nd hand bike to use as a dedicated grocery getter so you don't turn your main ride into a 50 lb pig.

kookaburra1701 12-23-12 02:06 PM

LOL, this bike is already a heavy ox (56 lbs unloaded exactly according to my bathroom scale) - that's why I got it, to carry heavy things slowly.

kookaburra1701 12-23-12 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 15080589)
kookaburra1701, have you considered the Soma porteur rack? They look nice as well, and they are not as much as the VO version.
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=48548

I remember looking at that rack a while back and deciding against it, but for the life of me I can't remember why.

no1mad 12-23-12 02:38 PM

That Soma rack looks interesting, but it looks like it just attaches at the axle/dropout- that can't be the only attachment point?

adventurepdx 12-23-12 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by no1mad (Post 15081044)
That Soma rack looks interesting, but it looks like it just attaches at the axle/dropout- that can't be the only attachment point?

If you look at this photo, there looks to be a strut to mount it to the fork at the hole for the front brake.
http://www.somafab.com/wp-content/up...teur_black.jpg

LarDasse74 12-23-12 08:04 PM

I spoke to my wife while we picked up Indian food this evening and mentioned this discussion and she said ""oooh... you have to post that she should get the Wald basket! I love my basket! I can put soooo much in it! I ride my bike much more than I would if I didn't have it!"

I, too am inspired - If I have a need in the future for more cargo capacity I am following my own recommendation and getting the Wald front and rear baskets for my grocery bike... for now I have a Chariot trailer the kids have outgrown and that holds huge loads of groceries for now.

kookaburra1701 12-23-12 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 15081060)
If you look at this photo, there looks to be a strut to mount it to the fork at the hole for the front brake.

From the photos on the VO site, that actually looks like more than the VO rack has. Of course, every time I fiddle with the brake mount for anything (fenders, lights, etc.) it always ends in tears.

kookaburra1701 12-23-12 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LarDasse74 (Post 15081972)
"oooh... you have to post that she should get the Wald basket! I love my basket! I can put soooo much in it! I ride my bike much more than I would if I didn't have it!"

FIFY ;)

I'm definitely leaning more towards the wald now.

adventurepdx 12-23-12 11:31 PM

On my latest build I've used a basket/rack setup that is sort of a compromise between a porteur rack and the giant Wald delivery basket. I mounted a small front rack and to that rack a Wald 139 basket sans hardware is strapped down. I like that this makes the basket lower than the mount-to-handlebar version of the 139 basket, and it also means cables don't need to be routed through the basket. And I can take the basket off if I want/need. It handles small to moderate weight loads quite well.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8078/8...db9a72987b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8069/8...1d81873c4a.jpg

ka0use 12-24-12 10:16 AM

holy mack'el, andy! that's a biiiiig bassit!
is there a weight limit?
i'm remembering putting buddies on the handlebar
(one at a time) and how unstable they were.
lemme re-phrase that last line (but true, they
were as nuts as i was/am). they threw the balance
off.
one buddy had a very wide basket that was shallow on
his schwinn newsboy special. we would put my dog in it when
going somewhere and she did not like riding in it one bit
(see above statement regarding mental stability).

blakcloud 12-24-12 11:25 PM

I have two identical frames with baskets. The first is a Wald 137 but I modified the struts to attach to a low rider rack mount. Yesterday I carried a 7 kg. turkey and two bottles of wine and a can of cranberry sauce. Not only was it difficult to steer, I thought the basket brackets were going to bend. It was only about a kilometer home so I went slow but I could feel the basket moving around, won't be doing that again.

The second bike, the one I should have taken has the same basket with a Gamoh Porteur rack to support it. I am sure I could carry another person on that without any problem. The one drawback as people have already mentioned is the weight of the rack. The basket itself is very light.

I dislike back racks and would never use one again. If I have a really large load I just use my Burley Travoy.

adventurepdx 12-25-12 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ka0use (Post 15083398)
holy mack'el, andy! that's a biiiiig bassit!
is there a weight limit?

Are you talking to me? Because my name ain't Andy.

Anyway, the Wald 139 is what I would say a mid-size basket. (No, don't know the weight limit, but I'd guess around 20-25 pounds.) Now if you want a big basket, the 157 is the big one.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6...9a748bc8e9.jpg

Or the basket on my old Worksman cycle truck. Now that's a big basket!
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6100/6...7dc823e145.jpg

adventurepdx 12-25-12 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by blakcloud (Post 15085384)
...the one I should have taken has the same basket with a Gamoh Porteur rack to support it...I dislike back racks and would never use one again.

Does that mean you're looking to unload it (ha!) on someone else? I think I might know someone who might appreciate it...
:D


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