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Old 03-27-13, 10:43 PM   #1
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Advice on IGH bikes with dynamo lights, chain case

I've done my research and I've decided I want to purchase an internal gear hub (IGH) bike. The other features I'm looking for are:

-full fenders
-chain guard (preferably fully enclosed)
-dynamo light
-30 pounds max

The most appealing bike I've found that comes with all of these features is the Breezer Uptown.

Another option is the notably cheaper Torker Graduate. However, the graduate lacks the dynamo lights.

If someone can recommend a quality dynamo set that I could add on myself, I may opt to get the Torker Graduate. Also, can anyone recommend a brand for a full chain case? Thanks!
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Not too many choices in the US with a full chain case, you can buy some dutch built bikes like the WorkCycles Secret Service but they are expensive and I suspect weigh more than the 30# limit you have set. Another option would be to order a full chain case from Dutch Bike Bits but then you have the fun of installing it.

I own a couple of Torker/Redline bikes and have been happy with the quality. You could probably have a dyno/drum front wheel and light put on the Graduate for ~$200, but you will still need to buy a rack and chain guard/case.

I have never ridden a Breezer and have only seen one up close. Based on your requirements I would buy the Breezer as it is ready to roll and would require no upgrades as purchased.

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Hebie is a German Made Chain cover 'chainglider'. in low friction plastic

part A 38 or 42 t , part B Rohloff or Shimano , hub.. mix and match.

Your Bicycle dealer should be able to add /change components, though

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Another option is the notably cheaper Torker Graduate. However, the graduate lacks the dynamo lights.
all you wishes may not be fulfilled as it comes out of the shipping carton..
they may give you a trade in value for the stock wheel, to apply to wards the Dynamo wheel you wish for.


Shimano's hubs get used to build up many replacement wheels.

German, Schmidt's Dyno hubs are the top of the heap.


brands have dealer territories, so big cities would handle more brands close in

more rural, the brand in one town covers the county, another town in the area may not carry it.
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Hebie is a German Made Chain cover 'chainglider'. in low friction plastic

part A 38 or 42 t , part B Rohloff or Shimano , hub.. mix and match.

Your Bicycle dealer should be able to add /change components, though


all you wishes may not be fulfilled as it comes out of the shipping carton..
they may give you a trade in value for the stock wheel, to apply to wards the Dynamo wheel you wish for.


Shimano's hubs get used to build up many replacement wheels.

German, Schmidt's Dyno hubs are the top of the heap.


brands have dealer territories, so big cities would handle more brands close in

more rural, the brand in one town covers the county, another town in the area may not carry it.
The front hub on the Torker Graduate is an S-A drum brake, I would recommend replacing it with a S-A dyno drum, preferably the XL-FDD which is the 90mm drum/dyno hub combination. If you go with anything else you will need to add a front brake to the list of things to add. FWIW I have built up two city bikes using the S-A stuff and have been happy with the results so far.

I just checked the Torker website...they have 2 different Graduates listed and the specs list is mixed.... not sure what you are looking at now...

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I use rechargeable batteries for my lights (opti cube) so no help on dyno hubs. The Shimano Alfine 8 has been excellent on my commuter - very smooth, totally silent - appears to have shaved about 5~10 minutes off my 100 minute commute. Will be trying the Hesling Excelle as a chain case but trouser clips also work.
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The front hub on the Torker Graduate is an S-A drum brake, I would recommend replacing it with a S-A dyno drum, preferably the XL-FDD which is the 90mm drum/dyno hub combination. If you go with anything else you will need to add a front brake to the list of things to add. FWIW I have built up two city bikes using the S-A stuff and have been happy with the results so far.

I just checked the Torker website...they have 2 different Graduates listed and the specs list is mixed.... not sure what you are looking at now...

Aaron

Added a dyno set to my 2010 Torker graduate, it will not come in under 30 pounds and mine has a rack and heavy cross tires so any weights I post may not be valid , no chain case. LBS charged 300 for the SA dyno+ lights and wheel build but I also had a tune up and new pedals in there. Happy I did.
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I've done my research and I've decided I want to purchase an internal gear hub (IGH) bike. The other features I'm looking for are:


-chain guard (preferably fully enclosed)

Another option is the notably cheaper Torker Graduate. However, the graduate lacks the dynamo lights.

If someone can recommend a quality dynamo set that I could add on myself, I may opt to get the Torker Graduate. Also, can anyone recommend a brand for a full chain case? Thanks!
You don't need a full chain case unless you are a woman who likes to wear long dresses. I ride two bikes including the Torker Graduate and my pants are never stained. Both bikes do not have full chain cases.
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You don't need a full chain case unless you are a woman who likes to wear long dresses. I ride two bikes including the Torker Graduate and my pants are never stained. Both bikes do not have full chain cases.
Chaincases are for more than dresses. I have one on my main commuter and they are as much for your drive train as for you. The chain on that bike is easily 10 years old and could be as old as 15 years. It still looks new and show little stretch even after 200+ miles each month every year of it's life for the last 5-6 years. That alone make the case worth it.

I also have a GT mountain bicycle from 1995 and it loves to eat jeans. I have to strap my pants to my leg and even then it sometimes grabs on. A chaincase would stop this 100% guaranteed.


If you can't find a bicycle that meats your needs, try this site to get the parts.
http://www.dutchbikebits.com/
They are slow on shipping(2-3 weeks), but they are about the only resource for dutch style bicycles on the net that is in English.

Don't be put off by the naysayers, there is nothing like riding a fully equipped city bicycle, even in a hilly city. All I'd add is to get a rear roller brake and a o-lock(also called a frame lock).

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You don't need a full chain case unless you are a woman who likes to wear long dresses. I ride two bikes including the Torker Graduate and my pants are never stained. Both bikes do not have full chain cases.
For me the full chain case is more about protecting the chain than protecting me, ditto long reach fenders and mud flaps.

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Have you looked at the Novara Gotham Bike?

http://www.rei.com/product/825377/no...tham-bike-2013

It doesn't have a full chain case, but I'm not sure that's necessary with a belt-drive bike. Not sure how much it weighs either, but I've been intrigued by it since I saw a link on a different site.
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I've done my research and I've decided I want to purchase an internal gear hub (IGH) bike. The other features I'm looking for are:

-full fenders
-chain guard (preferably fully enclosed)
-dynamo light
-30 pounds max

The most appealing bike I've found that comes with all of these features is the Breezer Uptown.

Another option is the notably cheaper Torker Graduate. However, the graduate lacks the dynamo lights.

If someone can recommend a quality dynamo set that I could add on myself, I may opt to get the Torker Graduate. Also, can anyone recommend a brand for a full chain case? Thanks!
I love my Torker Graduate, but as someone said, it does not come in under 30 lbs. IGH and drum brakes are heavy, and if you add a dynamo hub then it will be even heavier... but who cares? If you want all of those features under 30 lbs, you may have to go with an Aluminum framed bike and/or belt drive system, something like the Trek Soho perhaps.
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The Breezer Uptown is a fantastic bike and you'll be hard pressed to find a better-equipped bike (dynamo lighting system, IGH, fenders, rack, wheel lock) for less money... got one for my wife in 2008 and she's still riding it today (we converted it to an Xtracycle in 2009 or so - works great for that, too).

The Torker is also a good bike but by the time you get done adding an aftermarket dynamo hub and lighting system I'd bet it will cost as much as much if not more than the Breezer, especially if you pay a shop to do the work.

That Novara is more money than a Breezer Uptown but has a battery powered taillight... which IMHO is totally defeating the purpose of having a dynamo hub. I'd pick the Breezer hands-down.

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I bought my dynamo lights from xxcycle.com. The prices there are amazingly low compared with prices in the US.

I built my front wheel myself with a Sanyo dynamo hub. I'm extremely satisfied with the system. I didn't keep track, but the system probably cost less than $200.
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For me the full chain case is more about protecting the chain than protecting me, ditto long reach fenders and mud flaps.

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Let me correct myself.

I have the Torker Graduate and Bike's Direct Windsor 3 speed. Both bikes have half a chain case and it works like a charm. You really don't need a full chain case and my pants are not stained. Maybe of the OP likes to ride with wide bell bottoms but regular pants shouldn't be a problem.
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