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  • Yes, always or almost always.

    10 30.30%
  • Often, but usually not when there is plenty of space (more than 6') to pass safely.

    12 36.36%
  • Generally, no if slower traffic is in a separate lane, but yes if any lane sharing is involved.

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  • No, I don't slow down, regardless of how little passing space there is.

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    When driving, do you slow down to pass much slower traffic?

    When you're driving a motor vehicle, do you ever slow down some before you pass much slower traffic, especially when the space to pass is limited?

    Would you recommend that slowing down prior to passing much slower traffic is a good practice?

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    I did here to assess the situation (and moved right to see what the reason for the slow movement was)
    I could have merged left early and passed quickly, but until I assessed the situation and determined otherwise, there was a high likelihood one of the following cars may have suddenly merged left.

    youtube 9z7lurZACyM

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    Black, white, and grey.

    I'm grey. It depends on the situation.
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    Other.

    Depends on the situation.

    The flip side to that is, as a speed limit driver, I'm normally the one being passed. When this is the case, I maintain speed.

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    From the Debunking Forester thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Forester has nothing to with this unusual scheme [slowing down before passing much slower traffic]. It's a BF A & S Special.
    This "unusual scheme" is standard stuff for defensive driving.

    Rule 36: Beware of Stopped or Slow-Moving Vehicles

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    Use caution when approaching a slow-moving vehicle. It creates danger when vehicles are moving at different speeds in close proximity to each other. If you are flying up behind another vehicle, the risk of a collision is increased if a conflict develops, plus another driver moving at a very slow speed should cause you to think that something might be wrong, so you could expect other erratic behavior as well. Be prepared to react and slow down until you see that it is safe to go around.
    (red emphasis above is mine)
    Last edited by Helmet Head; 02-27-07 at 04:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noisebeam
    I did here to assess the situation (and moved right to see what the reason for the slow movement was)
    I could have merged left early and passed quickly, but until I assessed the situation and determined otherwise, there was a high likelihood one of the following cars may have suddenly merged left.

    youtube 9z7lurZACyM

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    Interesting that the car drivers slowed for another cyclist, and didn't merge into the adjacent lane to pass, but you did. Perhaps they were going to be turning right. That other cyclist (only seen for a moment) looked to be almost in the gutter, yet the car drivers still didn't pass. Any more insight into what was going on?

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    Is this when I'm on my bike?
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    I voted other, because there are so many different situations. Other vehicles could include cyclists, cars, horses - and the list goes on. I'll slow down if I think the situation requires it e.g. passing horse riders. On the other hand, passing a car may require an increase in speed, within the legal limit of course.

    I want to be a safe, courteous, cooperative and considerate road user. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Interesting that the car drivers slowed for another cyclist, and didn't merge into the adjacent lane to pass, but you did. Perhaps they were going to be turning right. That other cyclist (only seen for a moment) looked to be almost in the gutter, yet the car drivers still didn't pass. Any more insight into what was going on?
    If the video is labeled correctly, that's her SAG crew - they're keeping an eye on her, no reason to pass.


    I only slow down if I have to be in their lane, or if I feel that they're about to do something squirrely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    Is this when I'm on my bike?
    No. When driving a motor vehicle. See the OP.

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    am i passing the vehicle on the left or on the shoulder? and how fast am I bicycling compared to the slow moving traffic?
    "Evidence, anecdote and methodology all support planning for roadway bike traffic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    am i passing the vehicle on the left or on the shoulder? and how fast am I bicycling compared to the slow moving traffic?
    I don't know about your state, but it is so illegal to pass in the shoulder here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eatadonut
    If the video is labeled correctly, that's her SAG crew - they're keeping an eye on her, no reason to pass.
    That right - title is 'Supported Touring Cyclist" and description 'Passing a touring cyclist and her SAG... Passing a touring cyclist and her SAG on a multilane arterial (more...'

    If it was not clearly a SAG to me I would not have passed so closely. Thats why in the description I wrote:
    "I could have merged left early and passed quickly, but until I assessed the situation and determined otherwise, there was a high likelihood one of the following cars may have suddenly merged left."

    I assessed the situation as both vehicles as SAG (both had small signs too). Then I felt there was a sufficiently high likelyhood they would not suddenldy merge left in a surge of impatience.

    What is strange to me is why they were riding so far to the right - obviously visibility is not an issue, but pavement quality and room to move is limited.

    It was a 111F right then. I remember feeling pretty beat and thought it great to see a 'tour' along my commute - I waved. But wondered why they chose this road, there is an REI a couple miles back. I also wondered why two SAG vehicles and from where and to and why. And how far, they must have been crazy beat (unless they just started) as it was 4pm. That heat sticks till well past dark.

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    I do for others what I would want them to do for me. I slow down unless I have enough room to pass safely. If I can merge into another lane safely without slowing, I will. If I'm passing a bike in the same very wide lane, I'll slow down unless I can pass quickly with a safe distance.

    When I'm riding, I don't expect cars to slow for me if they can pass safely without slowing. But if I'm in a narrow lane, and the car can't pull into the next lane right away, I expect him to follow me slowly until he can pull over and pass safely. And so far they always have done this. I've never had one hit me because he was in such a hurry to get around me. I've had them honk at me a few times, but not often. This is why I actually enjoy riding in narrow lanes, as long as the traffic isn't extremely heavy. I feel like they're aware of me, as I'm right in front of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by noisebeam
    What is strange to me is why they were riding so far to the right - obviously visibility is not an issue, but pavement quality and room to move is limited.
    Only one explanation for why the cyclist was riding so far right despite being followed by a SAG: (arguably bad) habit. The same habit the vast majority of cyclists are afflicted with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    am i passing the vehicle on the left or on the shoulder? and how fast am I bicycling compared to the slow moving traffic?
    The ultimate question here is whether faster traffic should slow when approaching much slower traffic, including bicyclists, from behind, and, if so, under what circumstances, and when not.

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    oh, so this is actually about passing bicyclists and NOT cars then. interesting take on things, mr. head.

    do A&S posters slow down while passing bicyclists, is that what you meant to post as a question?


    there's something ultimate in your poll? wowsers. i thought it was totally car related. nothing to do with bikes at all.
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    I'll slow down to pass cars on my bike, because you never know what the cager is going to do. unless it looks like they are going to turn right, with their blinker on. then, i'll take the next lane to their left on my bicycle.

    do i slow down while passing other bicyclists while riding my bike? it really depends on the rest of the parameters.
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    Do I ever slow down when passing a slower vehicle. Sure.

    Do I usually slow down when passing a slower vehicle. Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    (red emphasis above is mine)
    And the distortion is all yours too. Approaching a slow moving atypical vehicle is not the same scenario as routine passing of slower traffic on a 2 lane or multilane road. The kind of typical road conditions where you have written that you expect all passing vehicles to first slow down before passing any slower vehicle. In fact you described your bicycling wiggle waggles as an effort to force all vehicles to slow down prior to passing you on the road, regardless of any other traffic.

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    Doesn't expecting drivers of cars to slow down to pass a bicycle constitute special treatment? Doesn't that sort of go against the idea that we are vehicles like any other and don't need special accommodations?

    Just so I understand, do you expect people to slow down when there is room enough to pass? Or are you talking about the normal kind of slowing you would do to wait until there is an opening to pass? I don't see any reason to slow down if there's room. I don't slow down to pass pedestrians on the MUP unless I can't pass them. In that case, I get behind and wait for an opening.
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    Only when the traffic in the other lane is unpredictable... such as this morning as I was driving by a freeway on ramp left only lane and the motorist in that LOTL suddenly swerved right before making their left turn turn. (it always baffles me how some motorists swing wide before making a turn, either right or left... where in the heck did they learn this technique).

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    I call those guys swinger-outers. I hate that. I've had a lot of almost run-ins with those guys. They're too unpredictable and I can't see what advantage it gives them, unless driving other people crazy is their advantage.
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    ^^^I think they think they're Jeff Gordon or something. Or maybe it's something their dad taught them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    And the distortion is all yours too. Approaching a slow moving atypical vehicle is not the same scenario as routine passing of slower traffic on a 2 lane or multilane road. The kind of typical road conditions where you have written that you expect all passing vehicles to first slow down before passing any slower vehicle. In fact you described your bicycling wiggle waggles as an effort to force all vehicles to slow down prior to passing you on the road, regardless of any other traffic.
    You misunderstood. Or I wasn't clear, or both.

    I do not expect them to slow down when there is plenty of passing space, such as when I'm in the outside vehicular traffic lane and they are in the adjacent lane.

    I do expect them to slow down as they approach when I'm in a wide outside lane, whether or not there happens to be a bike lane or shoulder stripe demarcating the narrow margin space of the road adjacent to their lane, because they are passing relatively closely.

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