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I figure the VC forum IS the JF forum, whether John participates or not.
Sooner or later most of us will tire of these pointless debates with inflexible zealots that go endlessly nowhere and the VC subforum will turn into ChainGuard, where only those marked with 666 can participate.
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey