Originally Posted by natelutkjohn

Look it up yourself man - you started the thread (Use the search function )- I'm not here to argue about a "method" that changes as the wind changes - just here to have fun pointing out your contradictions.

Originally Posted by N_C

Ok, now I'm confused. Which is not unusual considering JF & HH change what they say or mean more times then I change underwear.

I take one meaning of riding VC to be always taking the lane. At least according to JF & HH all cyclists should be doing. This means cyclists are in the lane of traffic causing passing motorists to either completely or partially go into the oncoming lane to pass on a roadway or slow down & wait until it is safe to do so.

This is how both JF & HH have described it, but I am waiting for their denial of this fact.

Guess what HH & JF I NEVER ride VC. Here's why:

I ride a recumbent, very slow to ride up hills. In my town, on my commute there are some serious hills I have to climb with fully loaded saddle bags.

One of these hills is on South Saint Aubin. after it crosses Glenn Ave. Between Glenn & Morningside Ave there is parking allowed on the one side, the side I ride on, of South St Aubin. For the 1st 3 blocks past Glenn Ave is a pretty steep but short hill. One that causes me to ride in my lowest gear. At best I can only do 4 mph up this hill.

Because of the wider roadway/parking lane on the side I ride on I am able & have to ride close to the curb in the parking lane to allow traffic to safely pass. South St. Aubin is a failry busy roadway through a residential area of town. For so many feet after Glenn Ave there is no parking allowed but after there is.

When I ride in the parking lane motorists can pass with out going into the oncoming lane.

Usually there are no vehicles parked on the steepest parts of the hill when I ride through & not until further up where the hill flattens out & I can pick up speed or it is easier for motorists to see up the hill to pass me in the oncoming lane if I have to merge to the left to pass a parked vehicle.

In other words for my own safety I have to go against the VC way of riding to keep myself form getting clobbered by a motor vehicle & to keep the peace between cyclists & motorists.

This IS NOT VC, it is how ever AC, or Adaptive Cycling, which is adapting my riding to the conditions I am riding in & not asserting myself to taking the lane because of & based on a principle that someone, (JF), wrote a book about.

I ALWAYS ride in an AC style. NEVER VC.

I know, I know, JF & HH will accuse me of going against the VC way of things & making it hard for motorists to accept cyclists rights to the roadway, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. I really don't give a ****. Especially because AC is how a majority of us ride.

If I am not mistaken there has been some good discussion about AC. Which, if I remember correctly, a majority of us here do when we ride. Maybe someone, other then JF or HH, should write a book on AC.

Originally Posted by Helmet Head

Okay, perhaps you are referring to the Cycling in the margins - food for thought thread.

I can't find the comment, "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane", in this thread, so I still don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by natelutkjohn

you got to put it together man, that thread and the comment you made in this thread about the road width and gutter cycling. I'm just saying, it hurts me real bad to see that you have a bad case of cycling inferiority complex.

Originally Posted by Helmet Head

I dunno, maybe someone else is following this, but to me you're like the homeless guy on the corner laughing hysterically for no apparent reason.

Originally Posted by zeytoun

+1
His outsider status makes him a better observer of society. Of course the reason for his laughter is never apparent to us, because we're too absorbed with the issue of being "insiders"

Originally Posted by Helmet Head

I dunno, maybe someone else is following this, but to me you're like the homeless guy on the corner laughing hysterically for no apparent reason.

Originally Posted by zeytoun

Are you going to challenge HH to a race?

Originally Posted by rando

That was such a great movie! gotta put that one on my netflix list.

Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin

Wow, what a visual that is.

SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!

FREDFEST #1 featuring a Lemans start followed by a race to the nearest store that sells pocket protectors and culminating with a crit around the local latte shack.

Will Serge survive while riding a wedgie (pedaling at hampster cadence in too low a gear through intersections to "fool" cagers into thinking he's going faster than he really is)? Will N-C's uber circus bike *** (that rhymes with come but the word filter won't allow a legitimate use of the word) barcalounger escape being stolen by the carnies that are in town for just a day?

Come on down SUNDAY ! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! And see for yourselves!

Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin

You're confusing obsession with amusement.

Shouldn't you be training for your big race?

Originally Posted by zeytoun

Are you going to challenge HH to a race?

Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin

Because they are goofy fred magnets that make me chuckle.



I've ridden one. Boring!



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Originally Posted by N_C

What race? i never challenged anyone to anything, nor will I. Waste of time. Did some dumb **** volunteer me? If they did show the post for it. They also wasted their time, I DO NOT ACCEPT!!!

Originally Posted by chipcom

You don't remember your challenge to smokers...and backtracking faster than the Italian army when I offered to take you up on it? Lots of other people do.

Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin

N_C has decided to amend his race challenge and instead challenges Mr. Bow Tie and his acolyte to a "commuting" skills challenge, sort of a triathlon if you will.

1. A competition where the riders must pedal their bikes slowly within a circle while riding one-handed and play Mozart's Salzburg Symphony No. 1- Divertimento K.136- Allegro on an Airzound.

2. Target shooting: Riders must ride past a "scary person" target at more than 10 mph and shoot their defensive pepper spray at the head of the target. Scoring will be based upon impact area and the amount of blow back the rider receives. No crybabies allowed.

3. The final challenge will consist of all contestants pouring themselves into recumbent trikes and competing to see who will be the first person to ride down a double flight of stairs, while balancing a tall half-caf double decaf latte on their chest.

N_C is willing to wager three double Whoppers and a pack of gum.

Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin

N_C has decided to amend his race challenge and instead challenges Mr. Bow Tie and his acolyte to a "commuting" skills challenge, sort of a triathlon if you will.

1. A competition where the riders must pedal their bikes slowly within a circle while riding one-handed and play Mozart's Salzburg Symphony No. 1- Divertimento K.136- Allegro on an Airzound.

2. Target shooting: Riders must ride past a "scary person" target at more than 10 mph and shoot their defensive pepper spray at the head of the target. Scoring will be based upon impact area and the amount of blow back the rider receives. No crybabies allowed.

3. The final challenge will consist of all contestants pouring themselves into recumbent trikes and competing to see who will be the first person to ride down a double flight of stairs, while balancing a tall half-caf double decaf latte on their chest.

N_C is willing to wager three double Whoppers and a pack of gum.