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  • I find that HH's posts are generally fairly clear and understandable

    12 42.86%
  • I find that HH's posts foster understanding

    4 14.29%
  • I find that HH's posts are generally not clear or understandable

    8 28.57%
  • I find that HH's posts generally do not foster understanding

    9 32.14%
  • I make no good faith attempt to understand HH's posts

    5 17.86%
  • I would rather vote for Pedro

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    I Understand...

    Which of these positions best describes you and your understanding of HH's posts?

    I find that HH's posts are generally fairly clear and understandable
    I find that HH's posts foster understanding
    I find that HH's posts are generally not clear or understandable
    I find that HH's posts generally do not foster understanding
    I make no good faith attempt to understand HH's posts


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    I make no effort, what's the point? But the rare times that I do, I find them completely void of fostering understanding - just silly applications of big words to make him look smarter then he really is. I bet HH would learn a lot if he read some Peter Feynman lectures - intelligent experts don't need to use large and excessive words to get their points across, only the imbeciles among us need to becasue it makes others think we know our stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
    I make no effort, what's the point? But the rare times that I do, I find them completely void of fostering understanding - just silly applications of big words to make him look smarter then he really is. I bet HH would learn a lot if he read some Peter Feynman lectures - intelligent experts don't need to use large and excessive words to get their points across, only the imbeciles among us need to becasue it makes others think we know our stuff.
    I assume you mean Richard Feynman.

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    I used to make an effort, and I still do sometimes, but the writing is so dense and convoluted and intricate, much more so than it needs to be, that I just give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    I assume you mean Richard Feynman.
    That I do, good call - have you read him? Or did you google that?

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    Did you vote in this poll, HH?
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    I find HH's posts are generally fairly clear and understandable. I may not always agree with some of his points, and he sometimes goes on too long, but he's not all that hard to understand. Big words? I can't remember having to hit up the dictionary when reading an HH post. What's clear is that many here really dislike his ideas and/or style of communicating, so they can't be bothered even trying to understand him. Fair enough I suppose.
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    What's clear is that many here really dislike his ideas and/or style of communicating, so they can't be bothered even trying to understand him.
    Actually, that's not clear yet. That's why we have the poll.

    So far, 1 person has selected the poll option indicating that they don't try to understand him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeytoun
    Did you vote in this poll, HH?
    Somebody voted that he/she/it never shows good faith to understand HH. I wonder who would vote that way to describe themselves; I suspect a ringer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Somebody voted that he/she/it never shows good faith to understand HH. I wonder who would vote that way to describe themselves; I suspect a ringer.

    Actualy that would be me - no ringer, just entirely fed up with HH, I used to read and understand his posts, but that was a looong time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeytoun
    Did you vote in this poll, HH?
    Yes. Is that pathetic? In any case, I chose the first two options of course.


    That I do, good call - have you read him? Or did you google that?
    I never read the lectures, but I read his book "Surely you're joking" many years ago. Great book.

    Quote Originally Posted by rando
    the writing is so dense and convoluted and intricate, much more so than it needs to be, that I just give up.
    Can you show me any specific examples of my writing that you consider to be "dense and convoluted and intricate"?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
    I find HH's posts are generally fairly clear and understandable. I may not always agree with some of his points, and he sometimes goes on too long, but he's not all that hard to understand. Big words? I can't remember having to hit up the dictionary when reading an HH post.
    I'm glad I'm not the only one. Which makes me wonder why so many seem to have trouble understanding my writing. And even I don't always agree with some of my points (after I give them some more thought, or someone points something out to me).

    What's clear is that many here really dislike his ideas and/or style of communicating, so they can't be bothered even trying to understand him. Fair enough I suppose.
    I do think that's a huge part of it, and explains much of the discord on this forum. I don't see how that's "fair" though. If I'm going to disagree with someone, I do my best to try to understand what they're saying to make sure I understand what I'm disagreeing with. That's fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    YI don't see how that's "fair" though. If I'm going to disagree with someone, I do my best to try to understand what they're saying to make sure I understand what I'm disagreeing with. That's fair.

    The world isn't "fair" HH

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    Yes. Is that pathetic?
    I don't know whether it is pathetic or not. I just wondered, because I was preparing a separate poll for your use, in which I was going to switch out the "HHs"s for "my"s... now I don't have to.

    I do think that's a huge part of it, and explains much of the discord on this forum.
    I make a good faith attempt to understand your posts, Helmie. And yet, I think that I am a contributory force for much discord on this forum.

    I'm just curious to see what others think.
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    I voted c and d and as a result I've stopped reading most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
    That I do, good call - have you read him? Or did you google that?
    I looove Feynman, read a lot of his stuff =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by lima_bean
    I looove Feynman, read a lot of his stuff =D
    Awesome! I'm, hopefully getting the entire lecture series in hardcover for my 30th bday this summer *fingers crossed*

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    Quote Originally Posted by lima_bean
    I looove Feynman, read a lot of his stuff =D
    Never heard of him, but I will check it out.

    Regarding the poll: I voted "C" because, damn man, I don't have all day. Brevity counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deputyjones
    Never heard of him, but I will check it out.

    Regarding the poll: I voted "C" because, damn man, I don't have all day. Brevity counts.
    Brevity is good. If I had one suggestion, it would be to pare down the verbiage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeytoun
    Which of these positions best describes you and your understanding of HH's posts?

    I find that HH's posts are generally fairly clear and understandable
    I find that HH's posts foster understanding
    I find that HH's posts are generally not clear or understandable
    I find that HH's posts generally do not foster understanding
    I make no good faith attempt to understand HH's posts


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    I did not vote (I usually don't vote on polls, since I already know what I think.)
    No worries

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    Quote Originally Posted by rando
    Brevity is good. If I had one suggestion, it would be to pare down the verbiage.
    Brevity while maintaining clarity is a very difficult thing to do. Ever read a magazine article on a topic then read a book about the same topic? Did you find that the magazine article conveyed the same message or did was it slightly misleading due to lack of space to fully explain a concept? I'm sure that if HH critiqued each of his posts for a day before hitting "reply" they'd be a bit shorter but then how would all of these threads reach 20 pages so quickly?

    HH is one of a few posters who will take the time to say exactly what they mean if someone questions him. I think that's a good quality; at least it's preferable to simply dodging the question or saying "aw, jus' playin'." It is surprising to me that he finds time to work at all with all of his posting but that's his boss's problem, not mine

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    C,D,and E for me. I no longer try to make sense of his posts, just isn't worth it to me anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
    Actualy that would be me - no ringer, just entirely fed up with HH, I used to read and understand his posts, but that was a looong time ago.
    Thanks for the clarification. I've understood his posts from the beginning. There's not much of substance to understand. That's why I don't pay too much attention to his endless chatter. Let those who think there is something to gain by debating minutia and angel dancing with him do so. Different strokes, ya know?

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    This poll is mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes
    This poll is mean.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joejack951
    Brevity while maintaining clarity is a very difficult thing to do. Ever read a magazine article on a topic then read a book about the same topic? Did you find that the magazine article conveyed the same message or did was it slightly misleading due to lack of space to fully explain a concept? I'm sure that if HH critiqued each of his posts for a day before hitting "reply" they'd be a bit shorter but then how would all of these threads reach 20 pages so quickly?

    HH is one of a few posters who will take the time to say exactly what they mean if someone questions him. I think that's a good quality; at least it's preferable to simply dodging the question or saying "aw, jus' playin'." It is surprising to me that he finds time to work at all with all of his posting but that's his boss's problem, not mine
    Understood and agreed with the first point. However, it is hard to keep up a debate with someone who posts multi-page posts 50 times a day. He wins arguments through sheer attrition.
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