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Old 05-30-07, 06:41 PM   #226
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I know other folks have already given their two cents on this... and some of these debates can be pretty silly...

But I know this does in fact work... I use a Freeway in my commute, and in order for me to go in the direction I need to go, I have to hit the offramp and make a left turn across the ramp at the top... of a hill. I typically move at about 8-10MPH on the ramp... and where I need to start my crossing of the ramp, the motor traffic is leaving the freeway at 65-70MPH and I need to cross right in front of them. (this is NOT my favorite part of the ride).

I simply stick my arm out.

I have never had to wait more than 2 cars to get one to slow down to 8-10MPH to "cover" for me as I go from the shoulder (of the freeway) onto the ramp and cross from right to left as I ascend to the top.

I don't do this lightly... and I never attempt to do it unless I get a "blocking car" to cover me as I do this. But simply all I do is stick my arm out and wait... while I continute to ride slowly on the Freeway shoulder at the merge of the ramp.

Yeah, it works... but I sure wouldn't bet I could do it all the way across 6 lanes with 70MPH traffic.
First, it's only 3 lanes of traffic (a 6 lane arterial is 3 through lanes each way), not 6.
Second, you're not betting on anything since you only merge left in front of someone after they've slowed and yielded for you.

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Old 05-30-07, 06:42 PM   #227
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Huh? When would you be in front of someone who doesn't see you?
The whole point is to move left only after they've yielded.
Then you're gonna be waiting a long time...ain't nobody on any 65mph 4 lane with any appreciable traffic gonna yield to a cyclist puttering along on the shoulder with his arm out looking back with a steely eyed stare.

Hint, Einstein - slowing from 70 to 15 in traffic causes accidents...which would be caused by you and the idiot who is dumb enough to brake for you. You wanna move to the left lane on a 55mph+ 4 lane? You watch the gaps in both lanes and move when you know you can spend minimal time in each of the main traffic lanes. You sit there in one lane for too long, you're gonna be toast. Signalling is futile...if they are close enough to see you, you don't have enough of a gap unless the slow rapidly, endangering themselves and others.

As usual, your wacky theories indicate you are speaking from the la-la land in your head, not from any actual experience dealing with fast, multi-lane traffic.
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Old 05-30-07, 07:19 PM   #228
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First, it's only 3 lanes of traffic (a 6 lane arterial is 3 through lanes each way), not 6.
Second, you're not betting on anything since you only merge left in front of someone after they've slowed and yielded for you.

gotta go

First I don't care how many lanes of traffic... I used "6" only as an example. (I only cross one lane, period)

Second... be my guest... I'll take pictures and post them here as you cross any 3 lanes on any fast moving freeway with regular traffic, while you are riding your bike. Have to do it near a bridge however... so I can get good shots.
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Old 05-30-07, 10:19 PM   #229
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First I don't care how many lanes of traffic... I used "6" only as an example. (I only cross one lane, period)

Second... be my guest... I'll take pictures and post them here as you cross any 3 lanes on any fast moving freeway with regular traffic, while you are riding your bike. Have to do it near a bridge however... so I can get good shots.
Nobody is talking about crossing a freeway. Not only is that illegal, but unless there is a rare leftside offramp, there is no point even in theory. We're talkinga bout merging left across multiple lanes near the end of a freeway-like section of a busy/fast arterial as we're approaching an intersection with a traffic signal and a left turn only lane.
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Old 05-30-07, 11:12 PM   #230
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i thought this thread was about Baltimore and its higher degree of bike accidents despite it's 'great' vc road design. Baltimore, versus cities with bike infrastructure providing better road position, more riders, and a reduction in the indexed crash rate when bike infrastructure is added to cities.


only later did this thread devolve into yet another helemet head obfuscation soapbox about lane position.
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Old 05-31-07, 12:00 AM   #231
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only later did this thread devolve into yet another helemet head obfuscation soapbox about lane position.
Yah, we really need a DLLP sub forum for HH.
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