VC = Vigilant Cycling
We've talked about the relationship between vigilance and VC (obeying the rules) before.
I don't want to take this thread up in A&S off topic, so I'm starting this one, but if you read the OP you'll find an excellent example of how paying attention is often required in order to be able to consistently obey the rules of the road. In this case, these guys were not paying attention, and, so, were not able to notice a stop sign in time to stop for it. The point here is to counter Robert Hurst's criticism of EC/VC that we don't emphasize vigilance. The reason for that is that vigilance is inherent in obeying the rules of the road: if you're not paying careful attention for potential hazards, you cannot consistently obey the rules. VC may stand for Vigilant Cycling as well as for Vehicular Cycling. |
Other things that VC can stand for
Value-Added Cycling for those that think in business terms Vehement Cycling for those that are full of zeal for their technique Verbal Cycling for those that just talk about cycling on the internet Vestigial Cycling for those that consider the fine points of the technique a superfluous carry-over from former times |
Vegan Cycling-- for those who don't consume animal products
Verboten Cycling-- for those who want to feel like a rebel Varmint Cycling-- for those who like to ride with possums and such vagabond Cycling-- kind of like touring, but you make a lifestyle out of it. Vivaldi Cycling-- while listening to "The Four Seasons" Vermicelli Cycling-- Cycling and eating Pasta at the same time |
Venture Capitalist.
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Vicious cycling, like the way these arguments go 'round...
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Vain Cycling ;)
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Vicious cycling |
By the way, Casque Tete, it appears you are using "paying attention" and "vigilance" interchangeably in your OP. Am I mistaken? If I am, would you highlight the big difference between the two, in the terms of you OP?
Paying attention and vigilance are not the same thing. |
Originally Posted by zeytoun
By the way, Casque Tete, it appears you are using "paying attention" and "vigilance" interchangeably in your OP. Am I mistaken? If I am, would you highlight the big difference between the two, in the terms of you OP?
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So how does VC emphasize vigilance?
Or is vigilance just an implied stepping stone to VC? |
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
VC may stand for Vigilant Cycling as well as for Vehicular Cycling.
http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mil/museum/VCBIKE.htm |
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Vigilance is paying attention over time, with particular attention paid to potential danger.
John |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Some VC were not just weekend peloton riding blabbermouths.
http://www.transchool.eustis.army.mil/museum/VCBIKE.htm John |
verbosa craposa disorder.
characterized by delusions and paranoid thought processes. |
Originally Posted by John C. Ratliff
I thought that cycling was a relatively non-hazardous sport (some here say so). If so, why the need to be so vigilant?
John Think Styrofoam, as well as proprietary Safety Training courses. |
Originally Posted by Pete Fagerlin
I think Vainglorious Cycling is a better fit.
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Vicarious Cycling. The kind one does from the comfort of your computer chair, or your automobile, or your RV.
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but head you talk repeatedly about NOT following the rules of the road if it doesn't benefit your riding..... why the contradictions?
and like diane states above, a lot of this VC blather is vicarious bicycling, engaged in front of a computer screen by a sometimes, part timer, weekend club fred rider, and emphatically NOT a transportational bicyclist. |
Originally Posted by sbhikes
Vicarious Cycling. The kind one does from the comfort of your computer chair, or your automobile, or your RV.
ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!!!! ....... Tell 'er whats shes won Johneeey! |
Helmie,
Do any of the VC publications of John Forrester specifically highlight the need for vigilance? Or is vigilance just an implied stepping stone to VC? |
Originally Posted by zeytoun
Helmie,
Do any of the VC publications of John Forrester specifically highlight the need for vigilance? Or is vigilance just an implied stepping stone to VC? |
Originally Posted by John Forester
I have frequently written that the cyclist who understands and practices vehicular cycling, because he understands the pattern by which traffic should operate, is well equipped to detect the motions of a vehicle that indicate that it is being driven in a non-vehicular manner. Therefore, such a cyclist is more able to take evasive action than is a person who, not understanding how traffic should operate, does not detect the non-vehicular operation until much later.
Therefore it is so; Got it? :rolleyes: |
I have frequently written that the cyclist who understands and practices vehicular cycling, because he understands the pattern by which traffic should operate, is well equipped to detect the motions of a vehicle that indicate that it is being driven in a non-vehicular manner. Therefore, such a cyclist is more able to take evasive action than is a person who, not understanding how traffic should operate, does not detect the non-vehicular operation until much later. Comparing a vehicular cyclist who also understand traffic patterns to a non-vehicular cyclist who does not understand traffic is like comparing the test scores of a smart kid with a pencil and a dumb kid with a pen, and saying that a pencil is the factor that causes the better test score. |
Originally Posted by zeytoun
What about a cyclist who "understands" traffic patterns, but does not practice VC?
Comparing a vehicular cyclist who also understand traffic patterns to a non-vehicular cyclist who does not understand traffic is like comparing the test scores of a smart kid with a pencil and a dumb kid with a pen, and saying that a pencil is the factor that causes the better test score. |
Oh, well, we know of the scofflaw cyclists who deliberately violate the rules of the road in the belief that their superior competence will enable them to avoid the dangers so created.
Originally Posted by RobertHurst
the accident/injury rate of the entire population of Boston messengers, including all the hapless, ridiculous rookies, was in the same ballpark as the Moritz rate for the highly experienced LAB member. That should tell you something about the veteran messengers.
It hasn't. So, scientifically, riding VC cannot be said to cause an improvement in safety. |
Funny but all this "understanding" of traffic patterns can be done quite well from a bike lane. Not sure what it has to do with vehicular cycling.
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Originally Posted by John Forester
Bike messengers are one example, but there are some others, including ILTB according to his own confession, and some pseudo-racing groups which have become notorious.
http://www.bluesforpeace.com/lyrics/vietcong-blues.htm |
Originally Posted by zeytoun
It appears to work though:
And that's my point. In science you need to isolate a variable to show causation. Does VC show an improvement in safety between identical riders (same understanding of traffic, same athletic levels, same bicycles) who ride differently (say, on VC, one "inferior-style", and one "scofflaw-style")? It hasn't. So, scientifically, riding VC cannot be said to cause an improvement in safety. |
Originally Posted by sbhikes
Funny but all this "understanding" of traffic patterns can be done quite well from a bike lane. Not sure what it has to do with vehicular cycling.
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You are asking more than social science can deliver. All you have to do is measure the subjects of a study. Have them take a knowledge test. Have them take a fitness test. Have them fill out a survey or take a test on their riding style. Then have them log their miles, document any accidents, injuries. Is this beyond the ability of science? I rather doubt that a cyclist who understands traffic would ride in the cyclist-inferior method, because he would recognize that it endangered him. All I am pointing out, John, is that you are comparing a vehicular cyclist who also understand traffic patterns to a non-vehicular cyclist who does not understand traffic. Understanding traffic is a pretty big variable in safety as you have admitted, and yet has no required correlation to riding behavior, as I have demonstrated. |
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